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Making T Shirts in my Basement
Ellia and just back on to discuss life’s most important topics.
From the deep themes hidden in "Rugrats," "Rocko's Modern Life," and "Angry Beavers," to the emotional impact of anime series like "Dragon Ball Z," "Avatar," and "Cowboy Bebop," we cover it all. We even touch on the heart-wrenching final season of Pokémon. We also delve into the ups and downs of competitive fitness events, from controversies and challenges to the evolving leadership and programming in CrossFit. Plus, stay tuned for our plans on producing shorter, more frequent episodes to keep you engaged and coming back for more.
What's up, dogs? If you've been listening to this podcast for any amount of time, you'll recognize both of these people, as they're both multi-returning guests in Aaliyah Miller and Justin Rementer. They come on to basically talk about a whole bunch of shenanigans. See you guys on the other side.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm assuming you got penalties or something? Oh yeah, Because Rogue is really strict with the video review.
Speaker 1:That's a good place to start, because I was just wondering about this on the drive over here. Uh, what is? Could you, one of you maybe explain to me what the letters mean and rogue that they keep emailing to me every week? The c, the q, all these different things. What are those? What is that stuff?
Speaker 2:the q is the qualifier, that's if you want to compete in Scotland. The C is the community, so it's like a month long online. Here's some workouts, kind of like the open vibes, where it's like you do it to participate and be part of the community.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Is that like a test in the waters kind of thing for like a you know?
Speaker 2:Oh. I don't know, that's basically what it is.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's test in the waters, I think it's. Hey, this is out there. They didn't put as much marketing behind it, but then again I did say that they've been filling my email and my Instagram. I see these different things. I don't even know what it was, but I just keep seeing the C, the Q and I didn't follow along.
Speaker 3:I haven't seen anything with the C, I only saw all the Q stuff.
Speaker 2:This is the second or third year they've done the C, because I think the first time they did the Q, a lot of people signed up not knowing what it was really going to be. It was like your average CrossFit local affiliate athlete who signs up for the queue and then they can't even do any of the workouts because they're so heavy or high skill or whatever it is, because they're trying to get people to qualify for rogue. So then they created the c, which was like um. Initially it was like a scaled down version of the queue workouts, but I think this year it's like completely different workouts.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's pretty cool, good old community. I wish I could meet those people that everyone always talks about.
Speaker 2:Another way to get a $20 registration out of people right.
Speaker 1:I support it. Man, do your thing, you know, whatever it is out there. But no, you know what I really want to start at right, like I know that all three of us like conspiracy theories. Have you guys ever heard of like the rugrats conspiracy theory? Well, maybe have we talked? About this before did we did we talk about this on someone's dead?
Speaker 3:or something like that, the whole time yeah, like the kids are all all dead yeah, yeah, and they're like like the, the parents like the pickles.
Speaker 1:Parents are like reliving. They're another, like they manifested all their coping mechanisms and like mental health problems, as these kids, you know I remember reading something about that, yeah that's nuts man, like.
Speaker 1:So that came to my mind because the internet's so crazy. I saw this clip of chucky uh, actually I sent it to mel this morning, okay, uh, so tell her to tell her to let you see that later on, and tommy's come over to chucky's house, right, and he's throwing around all of his toys and, um, he's like, well, this is how we play at my house. And chucky's like flipping out, like oh, my house, my house, my house. Like this isn't my house, it's my house, right, like this is how we do things here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like damn rugrats, was deep bro a lot of those, a lot of those old when you look back at it as an adult. Yeah, it's like a lot of yeah especially um once you hit like early 30s and you realize like tommy's parents were and like they're early to mid 30s in the show and they all look like fucking run down and beat they look like.
Speaker 1:They look like the seinfelds from like but like real talk, they weren't even old either you know, that's the crazy part, like you, looked at like when I was a kid. I looked at them like, oh, they're like 60 those people run around new york right now getting bangles and shit. You know, alia, what was your goaded animated show like?
Speaker 2:rugrats rugrats 100% rugrats. I have seen every single episode, every single movie, every single crossover.
Speaker 1:That was, that was my show as a kid. All sobers were lit back then, justin. What about you?
Speaker 3:rocker's Modern Life was my shit. That's a good one. I got my Rocco tattoo. My confirmation name's Rocco. There happened to be a Saint Rocco because of that cartoon.
Speaker 1:I just sneaked that one in there, look at that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he just happened to be a Saint. I got lucky, I don't know. I remember when I was young I was like this is going to be my confirmation name I love this car, this, uh, this cartoon so much. And then I was able to do it, so that was cool. But yeah, that was, and that's another one. You look back on that rock his model like he was like a phone sex operator, like all kinds of shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like adult themes I got another, another adult theme, one angry, angry beavers, that's my sleeper one.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I reference beaver toe like a lot, like more than most people probably that cat dog?
Speaker 1:oh my god, that dog was so good when uh melanie and andrew used to compete together.
Speaker 3:We called them cat dog because like one was like real serious one was like all dopey.
Speaker 2:Mel's a dopey one, andrew's a serious one um have you guys heard the conspiracy theory about ed, ed and eddie?
Speaker 3:I don't think I know that.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I've heard it, but what is it?
Speaker 2:so, apparently, um, all these kids are dead and they're stuck in purgatory, and so that's why there's like a super, like old-fashioned, like 1920s british kid mixed in with all of them and you never see the parents like you only see, like, the bottom half of their body, right yeah, um so weird yeah, that's. That's what I've heard about ed, ed and eddie yeah, what's up with these animators out there, sickos?
Speaker 1:man they got some deep stuff going on oh my god, but that was, that was another good one back in the day it was like my go-to. By the time I got into Ed, ed and Eddie dragon balls, he had taken over and then that was like, but that's like a different realm of animated show. You know, like those other ones, I'm not really going back and watch it right now, like if I, if I see fricking Rocco's modern life or or like Arnold on on, like I'll watch a couple minutes of it, but I would sit down and watch dragon ball z right now yeah, yeah, like I, uh, I think, I don't know, maybe like the only nickelodeon one I would like set out to watch is doug.
Speaker 3:Maybe doug was really good um, but yeah, like all the um, like dragon ball z even I just watched uh avatar for like the first time yeah, really good like I'll still like tune it, like watch, that kind of stuff for sure that's what I watch uh-huh I never got into the, the anime like dragon ball z, pokemon, all that kind of stuff, but um, I did really like cowboy bebop that was the one anime that I
Speaker 3:would watch I never got into like the hardcore anime, but I just, I just rewatched a lot of Pokemon and then like the final, they just did like the final season with Ash, like finishing off his arc which was like a 25 year arc.
Speaker 3:I watched that and, like you know, the final battle, they start playing like the original theme song and I like I was in my basement making t-shirts and I like started getting the chills like goosebumps, like legit, and it was like I was like nostalgia legit and it was like I was like nostalgia way overload. It was so good wait that's such a northeast philly.
Speaker 1:That's such a northeast philly in my basement making t-shirts.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean story to tell right, it's better than, like you know, I'm in my basement making, you know, meth or something you know, I don't know like what you got the jason kelsey speech going on while you're doing that, I got pokemon play man let's go.
Speaker 1:Oh man speaking of t-shirts.
Speaker 2:I'm hijacking this podcast to tell you that I want one of elena's stitch t-shirts yeah, I've gotten so many requests for them, I can get you one.
Speaker 3:Well, I can get you one, but yeah, I can get you one so far. Yeah, I made four. Like every time I wear one to the gym, people are like I need one of them. I'm like, do you want her last name on it too? Or like, so people want them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, yeah, I know you do she's my best friend duh and stitch is my favorite character ever. Lilo and stitch is like one of my top five movies and stitch is hands down my favorite they get a reboot, like I don't know, they're doing a live action one, oh man, which I mean whatever. They could get it right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I only found out about the show when we were down at Metcon. Well, elena's told me a lot about the show, but when we were down for Metcon Rush, it was like you know, like this summer yeah, this past summer. She's like you guys are watching the show with us and you don't have a choice.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's so lit.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Was that her decompress between events was to watch Lilo and Stitch. No, that was pre-bedtime decompression, drown out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it. It's lit. I missed that method of doing TV, like Monster of the Week kind of vibe, and that was what that was in, uh, animated form you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was good, I liked it. I like the uh, I don't know anyone's name besides leo and stitch, but the, the guy that likes the sandwiches, the guy that like his power, whatever he likes to say, which is the yellow dude yeah, yeah yeah, he's got like a new york deli accent yeah, see, you could do stuff like that animation.
Speaker 1:It's great, you know, like that is I. I agree, though I think that that is the the best content out there, that it's never had like a big rebrand and like it's only kind of lived in merch, you know, for so long, but those remain high popularity, you know like I mean, I'm not gonna joke all the time.
Speaker 3:Every time you go to walmart anywhere in the country, there's stitch shirts like front and center yeah, big time walmart target all those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's easy, easy to uh merchandise, you know one of my favorite pairs of socks that I've ever owned was a dollar from walmart and they were stitched socks hell yeah, yeah, julia's got those, but they got lilo on them though.
Speaker 2:You know it's great um, but honestly I think part of it is because Lilo and Stitch and like specifically the characters Lilo and Stitch are like the animated, like expression of autism really, or like social anxiety, social awkwardness, and I feel like so many people relate to that so hard, like that's why people love it, that's why I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, right to that so hard, like that's why people love it, that's why I love it, yeah, right, right, because stitch outside of being like an alien monster, like he just wants to fit in, it is just always on if you actually watch the movies in the show, like always on the outside of fitting in, even when he's trying to be really good, so it's, it works really well, you know. And the the big sister, like, do they ever explain why? Why they are, uh, like foster kids?
Speaker 1:they're probably, they're probably actually dead and uh, it's all there you go, they're in purgatory, or purgatory or their parents got trampled by uh will to be something like that. You know disney's other go-to go-to uh thing why do the parents always die? Man. It's a beautiful story.
Speaker 2:I was so convinced that the story behind Frozen 2 was going to be that the parents were still alive. It wasn't. But I was like they're finally going to have parents that didn't die.
Speaker 1:Is that one connected to Tarzan? Something like that? There's a Tarzan Like? Something like that? There's a Tarzan frozen conspiracy theory out there Like someone's family that crashes. I don't know. We'll Google that one. Do your Googles afterwards. Yo, you know what A memory came up. Sometimes I say some funny things. A memory of something that I posted to Facebook came up from like six years ago and it said that this is before the pet peeve wednesday.
Speaker 1:I hate when people ask facebook things that's easily google googleable oh my god, I put my phone right down and I stop scrolling when I see a person do that like I don't post anything on my facebook except for like oh, there you go on instagram, but that, like you know, uh, but yeah, like a lot of I'm trying to like if it's something, yeah, if it's something like yo, why does anyone know what time the sun sets today?
Speaker 3:Kind of like that, kind of shit that you can just like Google.
Speaker 1:You know, or like does anyone know a fricking, a gas station that's in Jeffersonville, some stupid? It's like bro, what Like? When does this movie come out? Dog, ask Google. If you can ask Facebook, you can ask Google, and I hate that.
Speaker 2:Well, so there was a website where you could go to let me Google that for you and if somebody asked you a question that was like you could very easily have Googled that, you would put the question into the let me Google. You go Google that for you website. You send them the link and it looks like it's going to be the link with their answer, but it's really just like a screen recording of going onto Google and typing in their question oh no, I never saw that.
Speaker 3:That's funny.
Speaker 1:I want to put that in my Instagram bio, that thing right there for everyone out there. So that's going to be the new prompt on Tuesdays Ask me dumb questions so I can send you that right there. Google exists. They even got freaking underground googles all kind of stuff for people to use out there, like do your thing, you know. But I do want to talk about crossfit a little bit. Uh, you guys both were at comps recently like, uh, justin, you were at the belafonte brawl, is that, is that how you say it, right, I think so yeah, it's like the name of the cat.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure it's Belfante.
Speaker 1:Were you doing your head judge duties again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I was head judge. It's a good time. It's a really cool cop. I don't know if you guys like know anything about it, the guy Jeremy is that in Jersey or Delaware?
Speaker 3:Delaware he is. So he came here in 2020, I think just after we reopened and he had gotten out of the military, got injured, all kinds of stuff and had a nonprofit down in Delaware and he hadn't like started it back up yet. So he now has like fully up and running and it's all like fitness and meditation for like underprivileged kids around like his area. Now they do adaptive work too, so the the competition's like a fundraiser for it. Um, so they did like uh, the team's, you know fundraiser goals and stuff like that. So it's a good competition, like some you know decent athletes show up, but it's very much like hey, we're here for you know a good reason to raise awareness, raise money. Like Like nice, don't take it too seriously. Like obviously, like any local comp, like take it seriously, but not too seriously, but like especially that one. So it was, it was a really good time, yeah.
Speaker 1:They had a adaptive division.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so they did um, I think, upper body, lower body, or like a seated and standing Um. Some of them had, like one, I guess, able-bodied person, one adaptive athlete. So like Max, you know, max Cutler.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So Max was on. One of the one of the members of his gym is an adaptive athlete, so it was like they were partners. And that was really cool Cause like the best part about it was like at the end of the day I found out that like it was only those were partners. And that was really cool because, like the best part about it was like at the end of the day I found out that like it was only those two in that division, like there was no other people in their division but max still like wasn't fucking around, like he was still going for like 300 plus on the strength, complex and like oh yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was going.
Speaker 3:I was like I fucking love this so much.
Speaker 3:It was like it was real shit I love that it was, uh yeah it was, uh, it was, it was really cool, that was like that and like that type of shit. Seeing that is like really cool, like the adaptive athletes, like getting after it and like you know the, the, the people at it's called more than fitness is the non-profit and the people that run the adaptive division there, or the adaptive program there, did a phenomenal job um modifying all the workouts for the adaptive athletes that they were still able to, you know, do their version of a strength ladder and whatever it may be. It was. It was like really cool to watch.
Speaker 2:My, uh, my buddy, john John Edward Heath. He competed at Metcon rush as uh like in the the regular team division. He's a below the knee amputee I saw that, I saw him like I thought that was so cool to see him like on a team in the regular division, still just doing the workouts that everybody else is doing. That was really cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really cool. Right, that's uh what uh carbon fiber john carbon fiber, john, yeah yeah, I met him at uh. He was at uh dewey beach this year okay yeah, so I got to meet him there. Um yeah, that's sick man. Uh, and shout out to the adaptive games going on right now too. Just kicked off this morning, I think. Um alia, how was, uh, norcal norcal classic? Is that the name of that comp?
Speaker 2:yeah it, it was a lot of fun. It was hot. The three days we competed just happened to be a three-day heat wave in Northern California. It was over 100 every day. My hands are still oh buddy Put that on the podcast promo art right there.
Speaker 1:That was from the last workout.
Speaker 2:Nor Cal Sue. So Cal Sue is a hundred thrusters for time and every minute on the minute you do burpees. Nor Cal Sue was a hundred thrusters for time Every minute on the minute you do ring muscle ups.
Speaker 1:So I tried to get them to do that at the top dog games. That same thing, but bar muscle up for guys.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I mean it was a cool workout. It was a 10 minute cap. The only person who finished was Colton Mertens, but it was first three minutes you did three ring muscle ups. Second three minutes you did two ring muscle ups, and then the last four minutes you did one ring muscle up. But so it wasn't. It wasn't a lot of muscle up volume, it was just enough to be annoying. But the bars were out in the sun all day and my heat was at like three 45 in the afternoon, so they had been sitting out on the floor all day. They were scorching hot, so I did my first set of muscle ups.
Speaker 2:There wasn't time Cause the heats were just back to back to back, they had don't know over 500 athletes, a bunch of different divisions, um, and so I grabbed the bar for the first set of thrusters, burned my hands, burned my neck, and I'm doing the thrusters and then, like, my hands are already burnt and I get back on the rings and my skin is sliding because my hands are burnt, so I somehow I didn't rip. I don't know how, but I got some massive blood blisters.
Speaker 2:you got lava hands, but it was besides the heat, um, it was a really fun competition, a lot of really cool workouts.
Speaker 3:They always like to throw in different stuff besides burning the skin off my hands, it was a great time, you know right that's what literally built different, because I have not built like that. I was just gonna say other than like all the talent and the work ethic like that's another thing that separates like I would all right, I'm good yeah, I'm like, all right, y'all, I had it.
Speaker 1:Was that the last workout? Yeah, it was the last one yeah, oh, I did all the other workouts. All right, cool, leave me where I'm at if I take a zero on this.
Speaker 3:We skipped our last workout at TFX. The year the Eagles were in the NFC Championship game against the 49ers.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So like if it's physical, like third-degree burns on my hands, I'm definitely I'm out.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, For sure.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a good thing I still did the workout because I ended up finishing eighth and like overall and I didn't know this I I thought they only paid out top three, but they paid out through top 10. So I still won some money so this was six hundred dollars worth of burnt hands okay, a couple dollars.
Speaker 1:I like that. There you go. Oh man, uh, how about we? We talked about this a little bit. The the covering cf on Instagram, justin, have you seen them? I feel, like this sounds familiar. They've been posted around and shit man them trying to call out NorCal Classic not paying out, when it was pretty clear that you blocked out the valuable information in this post. That was nuts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people were complaining that they didn't pay the rx division, but that's like so standard at any competition that has an elite and rx division, especially when they qualify through the same qualifier, like you're gonna pay the elite division and not the rx division so you don't get people sandbagging the qualifier or signing up for the rx division when they should be in the elite division just to go win money yeah, so like and they never said on the website that they were paying the rx division right so I don't know where that came from revisionist history.
Speaker 1:People try to get mad after the fact when they made something up. How about? What is it?
Speaker 2:the european championships, yeah they shut down because they haven't been in anyone in like three years did they?
Speaker 1:yeah, so they, they didn't pay.
Speaker 2:They didn't pay the athletes two years ago. Yeah and uh, the organizers like sold the event to somebody else for super cheap and said here you figure it out. Um, but those, the athletes from two years ago, never got paid. Um, so then the new event organizers I think I don't remember if they hosted one last year, but this year they were supposed to have two like semifinal events to qualify for the final event, and then the final event was supposed to be either like this month or next month I think it was supposed to be last weekend maybe, or this weekend and so they had the first semifinal event. Some people qualified for the final. So all these athletes are now paying $200, $300 to register for the final.
Speaker 2:The second semifinal event they ended up canceling. They claimed it was due to logistical constraints, and then they said everybody who was registered for the semifinal, your registration will automatically be transferred to the final event. I love when that happens. And then they basically, behind the scenes, canceled their event but didn't tell any of the athletes, didn't tell any of the vendors. Someone found out because they still hadn't received any information from the event organizers. So they reached out to the venue and the event was no longer on the venue schedule and the venue was like, oh yeah, they told us that they canceled their event. So they canceled it through the venue but never told anybody. So they canceled it through the venue but never told anybody and it was like, yeah, it was like a week before people were about to like hop on a plane and go out there and like people had like non-refundable flights, non-refundable hotels, that's such an easy thing not to do, yeah and then I guess you can mess up like you don't have to mess up that bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess there was a guy that was working for them that when they canceled the semifinal he wanted to tell the athletes sooner than they did, but the guy running it was like no, we're not going to do that. And then fired the guy and still never, like, gave him his last paycheck or anything like that um because he didn't, he didn't want to tell him until it was like last minute so that he could complain. It could, so that he could claim it was the logistical constraints.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, yeah I mean, if you want to, I'll just say, if you want to do like an rx, uh level competition and get paid out for uh, you know, for doing well, you should do uh girl on the burbs or any other. Oh yeah, that happened already. Yeah, we've, we've paid out the rx division.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shout out to that I was. I mean, like, I feel that dude I've been in the situation before that it's like, oh damn, like is this not about to go how I thought it was gonna go? You know, I'll put it like that and uh, you, you, the best thing to do is to not be shitty, because that's just gonna double down most situations how, how bad it's gonna turn out, you know. So there's my, my hungry dog.
Speaker 2:Psa on that one don't be shitty and things might turn out a little bit better at the end, you know yeah I will say, though, the local competition scene in like the northeast, like jersey, pennsylvania, delaware, like all those places, it is so different than the local competition scene anywhere else, like there's so much more and, at least from what I've seen, there's a lot more local competitions in that area and like a lot more high quality, like well-run competitions, than you see most other places the density of the metros that are there.
Speaker 1:You know, like the tri-state area it has a lot of like a populist people and like people that have done crossfit for a while. Crossfit kind of fucked up because when they first put out the licensing event thing, like they could have had a great model but now those, those comps have like kind of grown past needing that.
Speaker 2:You know like yeah, yeah, I mean, that was kind of a still one this this year like a crossfit license event that was. That was a.
Speaker 2:I think it was this year yeah um, but that was a big conversation no, that was a big conversation after everything happened at the games and then, like, uh, like norcal was no longer a CrossFit licensed event after the games. There's a couple other events that like pulled their or, like you know, cut their contract with CrossFit to be a CrossFit licensed event and people were like, well, like, what's the benefit of it? You get to use the name CrossFit but like, crossfit's not really doing anything for those competitions besides allowing them to use the name crossfit.
Speaker 2:and at this point, most people don't need that anymore more restraints on what they can do yeah, so, like um norcal, if they had stayed as a crossfit licensed event, they would have had to take out their swim because crossfit said no more swimming in crossFit licensed events until we say so, so um yeah, I mean, it's like TFX, don't need they don't, they're, they're well known enough at this point that they don't need that promotion from CrossFit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, unfortunately. What does that come to? Uh, like affiliates, right, we already see it a little bit and uh, that's the the big fear, right? Um question for you guys alia, do you plan on doing a 2025 crossfit open?
Speaker 2:tbd, I mean tbd like yes, but also, um, there's so many unknowns right now. Like waiting for them to finish this investigation, seeing what's going to happen with the pfaa. Like is somebody else going to create a different season through something like is, is, is the crossfit season still going to exist? Is it going to exist under the name crossfit is? Like I don't know?
Speaker 1:question yeah, like season still going to exist? Is it going to?
Speaker 2:exist under the name CrossFit. I don't know. I still want to have a competitive season next year, but I think nobody really knows what that's going to look like yet you know, I'm looking through this list of licensed events trying to find the one, and it's there's.
Speaker 1:There's actually so many licensed events, but yeah, I think that's the true question over, like the next three, three to five year kind of period, right, like is the season is still going to look the same. Um, justin, what about you? Are you going to do the open 2025?
Speaker 3:um, if, like, all things kind of remain the same as and when I say the same, I mean like how they like have been uh, like I'll still, yeah, I'll still run the open. It's different for me than it is for alia. Like I I'm doing I mean not that alia doesn't do it like for you know she has bigger goals like we do it. You know it's a community thing here. Um, not that it's not for for you, but it's obviously different. Um, so, as long as they don't like come out and like just super, fuck up whatever report they're doing, and like you, know shitty.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like, as long as they're not like I don't even know what that would look like either, but like the open is. You know, it's my favorite time of year. It's, it's so much fun and I get hype about it every year. Those friday nights are my favorite friday nights of the year. Um, so it sucks. It's like like we, we carry the crossfit name but, um, like no one really like none of the members here like if anything, it deters them, like I don't want what, like having it under their crossfit name, like why am I giving them 20 bucks, kind of thing, and then I gotta, like you know, do my whole spiel like if anything.
Speaker 3:That's like more of a deterrence, but uh, I don't know I don't know if I'm just like a, like a crossfit boomer kind of thing, like it's. You know, I've been doing this so long that I'm like, no, it's the open, like it's fun. You don't get it like 20, um, but'll yeah, I'll still do it. I'll still, you know, you know, run it and talk to try to get as many people to do it as I can, because it's just a good, it's a great, it's a great thing for the community, like within a gym, at least for us it is. It's all, it's great.
Speaker 2:And I really like the community aspect of it, like it was.
Speaker 2:It's always been a lot of fun to do that with whatever gym that I'm a part of for that season. Um, but I think, as as an athlete, it's just like I understand that the value in collective bargaining is to be a united front. And so if CrossFit completely blows off the PFAA and the PFAA is like, hey, if you're not going to listen to us, we're not going to compete, like if there's, if there's people who are still like, oh well, I'm still going to compete anyway, cause this is my chance to make the games like that kind of uh D values the whole point of the PFAA. So, um, and like, I am not necessarily heavily involved with the PFAA, but I am involved with the PFAA. I've helped them a lot in the past. I'm helping them with some stuff right now. Like, um, I, I want to support the PFAA because I think that it's a valuable thing to help grow and professionalize the sport of competitive fitness, whether that is under the name crossfit or not. Um, so yeah, it's just a.
Speaker 3:it's a weird situation it's different for, like, like you said, it's different for you. Like, the people that I've spoken to that are very much up in the air on whether they're going to do like competitive crossfit this year are high level athletes, like you know. It's. It's definitely like a different ball game for you guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but like, even if the season goes to shit and who knows what happens with crossfit, like I still plan on competing, I still plan on doing all the big competitions you know, outside of that regular season, if I don't end up doing the regular season. So like it doesn't change my goals and my like training purpose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, so the hands are still worth it and you're still going to keep destroying them out there on the field. I love that.
Speaker 2:Hopefully no more burnt hands, but we'll see I love that.
Speaker 1:Hopefully no more burnt hands, but we'll see, dude, I'm like I like justin. Justin ibo said earlier, I'm out like as soon as I put my hands on it.
Speaker 3:I feel that, oh bro, because I I know exactly what that's like there's a video like it went viral like a couple years ago the uh boxing match and dude came in like did the whole like introduction and as soon as I rang the bell he just got out from one of the ropes and we'll walk back into the locker room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be me I mean I've done burpees outside at summer slam, so like that. Like that is a minuscule level of what you're talking about. You know outside on those mats.
Speaker 2:So there's a really funny. There's a really funny clip. Um, andrew hiller did a behind the scenes video for norcal and there's a really funny clip. Um, andrew hiller did a behind the scenes video for norcal and there's a clip in there of, uh, lauren stalwood and she's talking about how hot the bars were and she was like I burned my hands, I burned my chest and it cuts to her like a video of her on the competition floor. She picks it up for the first thruster and she drops the bar and she goes and she like shakes her hands and she rubs her chest. It was so funny.
Speaker 1:Bro, bro, yeah, if it's like that, I'm out, I'm cool. That was nuts, that's nuts, bro. Oh my God, I love that heat like that. Um, so, if, if the third demand of the PFFA is to go through right, like if they force Castro to resign, and and like we don't have to talk about our opinions on that, um, could anyone else, any other one person, run the games? And do you think one person should, uh, like, run the whole, like game season?
Speaker 2:I guess, if, if that was to happen, yeah, I mean, I think, um, I was listening to someone it might have been tommy on talking about fitness, I don't remember, but someone was talking about like it doesn't need to be a singular person. That is the face of the crossfit games. Like it's like the nfl, like you don't really know or care who runs the NFL. You're going to show up to watch the teams that you like and watch the athletes that you like, and like it doesn't matter who's running the NFL. It matters who's playing and how they're playing. You know.
Speaker 1:I would say that in response to that, that CrossFit is not as big as the NFL, crossfit's match would be more similar to like wwe and in wwe, like they have vince mcmahon and they have the data that when he's not around, it goes down.
Speaker 3:and even right now, when he has like puffy, like lawsuits against him, like diddy, like lawsuits against him, that still generates um eyes, ears and impressions for the wwe or whatever it's called right now that's a great comparison too, because, like it's, it's like a character, yeah, a common villain character, but like, unfortunately, um, the crossfit side of it, like there's like people and and I'm only, you know, I don't, I've never been to the crossfit games um, I don't, you know, I don't have a time experience with like that, but judging by, like you know, what you've heard from from athletes that have been there forever with like safety concerns, like you know, now we're talking about like, not that, like, uh, I don't want to offend any professional wrestlers, I'm not saying that, uh, you guys don't take bumps and bruises and stuff, but like there's, you know, real, real shit at stake now.
Speaker 3:So it's like, all right, common, common enemy, villain character, but now, like you know, it's a little more, uh, you know, costly at this point, little dire, yeah, I think that, um, I think that mcmahon may be the character that he plays even worse in real life, and not that.
Speaker 1:I don't think that. I think that the issue and why there's such a divide online really because it's usually not in real life, and that's when all the funniest things happen, and when people talk in real life they can be like oh, this is a reasonable conclusion that we could come to online. A reasonable conclusion that we could come to online.
Speaker 1:People are like hyper for or hyper against, because one side sees Castro completely as the character that he portrays and the other side sees who he actually is and and the what he's able to accomplish with the person that he actually is. I won't say it's good or bad the way that he, the way that he like, actually is, but like he's, he's able to accomplish a lot with his personality run the games, get people going and build it to the brand that it is today, that personality that achieves success. It can also rub some people the wrong way. So those are the two different sides that people are hyper for or hyper against, and they clash in the comments, you know, um, so like I'm like back and forth, you know, do we need one man to be helping the the show, uh, or do we need, like a group of people to come together and try to collaborate?
Speaker 1:Like and I'd be completely wrong on this, but it seemed like when boz was, there was like a collaboration between things, and like I read castro's book and in the book it's more like all right, this is kind of my vision of. These are the parts that I'm going to go do. These are the parts that I'm willing to delegate to you, you and you, you to go. Do you know?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's just the ways that it seems it was like like I don't think it was Boz's decision to not be involved in the individual programming this year and just be in charge of the teams. I think he was told by Dave this is what's going to happen and he didn't have a choice and it's, and it, like you said, it seemed like it was a more collaborative production when Boz was in charge during the time that Dave was gone, um and like even with a collaborative production, like okay, yeah, sure, boz was the face of the games during that time, but uh it, it was still a successful game, successful game season. Like right, it wasn't. It wasn't like Dave disappeared and everything fell apart, like they still would say that a lot, though I think.
Speaker 2:I think people just had a couple things that they didn't like about bosses programming and that is just like they're like oh, crossover double unders are so stupid. And then that was like oh, boss is a terrible games director because he put crossover double unders in.
Speaker 3:Like, yeah, like I mean two things. I think like at the end of the day, there has to be unless you're gonna have, like I don't know, like a five-person panel that votes on shit, but like more likely you're gonna have that one person where, like the buck stops with them, they make the decisions. I think it's not great if that person, um, again, I don't know like the inner workings, but if that person is like stubborn and only wants to do things their way and doesn't take any feedback, I think like you can have that one person that's in charge, if they're open to seeing, like other, you know, people's ideas and viewpoints and whatnot and like, like you know, take the, take other things into consideration, uh, whether they, you know, end up like implementing those things. That's one thing or another, but from what you hear, it's very much like my way, the highway kind of stuff, um, and then with the whole thing with, like the crossover double unders I think me and taylor talked about this when that happened.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure, like you could tell yeah yeah, you could tell who like kind of was like the new, like I guess like newer blood of crossfit, when they're like there's the dumbest thing ever, when, like we had ghd med ball throws, we had softball throws, we had hammer and a piece of steel through your legs, like and this year they were gonna do the um the sledgehammer on the tire, like there's yeah there's like there's always been handstand push-ups that yeah, oh my, now that was the worst time at crossfit.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I remember kicking and because they had the guys go high and the girls go to the low one. So then I'm at freaking crossfit apex back in the day trying to do that when I only have like three regular handstand push-ups. You know, talk about this. That's like right after the outlaw days, you know, oh yeah, like it's.
Speaker 3:I mean like for as popular as crossfit has grown, like it's always been a dumpster fire in some way, like there's like you were like we kind of like that alay was saying like I'm not sure if I'm going to do the open because I'm not sure what the competitive season is going to look like. Every two years we don't know what the competitive season is going to look like. Like there's been more times. There's been more times in my 10 years as an affiliate owner where I've had to talk to members and like conversations were driven by like weird, outrageous, like negative things that have come out of like HQ or cash or whatever. Then there has been like oh, like I think it's really cool that they're trying to do this. It's always like oh, what do you think of? You know what Greg said. What do you think of this? What do you think of? Like it's always like some uh, controversial story.
Speaker 2:Um, but you know we still love it and that, like that's what. That's what people have talked a lot about is like, uh, on the sport side of things like all these podcasts and media sources and whatever they're like we just want to talk about like the cool things that these athletes are doing and like the amazing accomplishments that are happening throughout the season, but we always end up talking about the shit that's going on with the you know, admin or logistical side of things or some big issue that came up, like there's never an opportunity to just talk about the sport for what it is. It's always talking about some controversy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if they don't talk about that stuff that people are trying to cancel them online saying that they're not talking about the world around them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly stuff that people are trying to cancel them online, saying that they're not talking about the world around them, or yeah, yeah, exactly that stuff. That always sucks and I think, like what justin was saying too, or both of you guys really saying, like it comes back to two things like crossfit is, uh, a media company at its heart, like that's actually what it's filed as right, and then two, the a lot of people that gravitates, gravitate towards it, are like counterculture kind of people, like subculture kind of people, and you put those two things together and they're going to create like headlines that pop for those people. You know. So that's always what's at the top, like these salacious headlines that are just like upsetting the community and really just firing you up to have some kind of strong opinion on things. You know it sucks, but that's like not only the cross world that we live in, but the major world that we live in, you know the world at large.
Speaker 3:I miss the days where, like the most controversial thing about cross, it was like tipping pull-ups oh my god that's what we had to defend online right, right, right.
Speaker 1:Like was rich gonna win another one next year? Was josh rich is gonna come back like those are the days that's like common sports banter, like that's yeah yeah, what a time.
Speaker 1:Um. But speaking of the crossover dubs, right and boz like, uh, at the norcal classic they had that one workout that was like all the shit up on the, the gymnastics bar. Right, like and boz did it. Wasn't he the one that implemented the? Uh, what are they not the crossovers where you go upside down over the yeah pullovers and all and like the pirouette, handstand walk and stuff like that? Yeah did, did that you tell us? Did that like pop up after that? Or were people already creative in the gymnastics world, like at CrossFit events? Or did like Boz cause that to explode?
Speaker 2:From what I've seen and experienced, I think Boz was kind of a big catalyst behind that and like it makes total sense Because if you think about it, we are always trying to do crazy stuff with weightlifting. We're always trying to lift more weight, we're always trying to do cool complexes, like you see. You see crazy complexes in weightlifting. So like why is it different to see a complex in gymnastics or to see a higher skill movement in gymnastics? It's like that, that complex. We did so if for people who don't know it was a toes to bar toes to bar.
Speaker 2:Pull up chest to bar. Bar muscle up, pull over backward hip circle forward hip circle drop kick which is like in gymnastics. That would be a small part of a routine that like a five year old would do. Yeah. So it's not high level gymnastics, it's a very basic level gymnastics.
Speaker 1:Are you better than a five-year-old? Let's go.
Speaker 3:That's what I said about the strict ring muscle-ups when we were texting the other day. Are you better than a five-year-old?
Speaker 2:A strict ring muscle-up is how a gymnast mounts the rings to start their routine. It's not actually a skill or a scored movement in their routine. It's how they get onto the rings to start. Like we are so below basic level in our gymnastic skills in CrossFit and all Boz was trying to do was open people's eyes to what could be possible with gymnastics and people started freaking out and they're like oh that's, are we olympic gymnasts now? Actually no, you're not even close. You're about on par with a five-year-old.
Speaker 1:So for real man shout out to boss for pushing the, pushing the game forward with that. Um, yeah, I was not watching that. I was like, oh, I I'm with you up until about the bar bustle up, and I don't even know what this stuff is afterwards and I was just like thinking about briefing the judges, like I tell them what's what and what's not. We'll swing it around up there.
Speaker 2:The way NorCal implemented it was really cool, so it was an eight minute.
Speaker 2:EMOM, and every minute of the EMOM you added a new movement to the complex and if you made it all the way to minute eight, you did the whole complex. And then, uh, you had max reps of the drop kips in the rest of the minute. So your score for the workout was just your total number of completed reps, whether you got capped earlier on in the EMOM or whether you made it to the end and did the drop kips. So, like first minute, you did one toes to bar. That was it. Second minute you did one toes to bar, one pull up.
Speaker 2:Third minute you did toes to bar, pull up chest to bar, so it was really just like a remedial progression for five-year-olds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, honestly yeah, um, but it gave people like, yes, it was a new skill that they only announced maybe like a week or two before they have the event. But it gave people still the opportunity to like be in the event and participate in the event and not just get, you know, capped immediately because they couldn't do one movement. They still had the opportunity to progress through it. And then you know, in one, two, three years down the road, when that becomes more of like a regular thing for people to do, then yeah, we're not going to do an eight minute EMOM where we're standing around for 50, 55 seconds at a time, like it's going to be a more, yeah, a more challenging version of that, but it's the same with, like, handstand walks.
Speaker 2:You know, when you first put handstand walks in a competition, it's like, okay, you got to get five feet at a time. And now it's like, you know, norcal we had, we had to do 30 feet on broken forward, 30 feet on broken backward or, like you know, semifinals. I've had to do 45, 50 feet, 72 feet, like whatever. Um and so like, handstand walking has progressed, but it started very basic five feet at a time.
Speaker 3:I was going to say it's like it's, it's. You need to find a way like to an extent obviously like to progress like the movements and the sport Cause like the way the sports progressed is fucking crazy over the last decade. And like, think back to, like you know, when I first started in 2010 and I was like at my college's gym, like when I couldn't make it to generation doing like handstand push-ups in the racquetball court, people thought like it was, like you know, the most outlandish crazy thing people have ever seen and that's like the bare minimum barrier to entry to like, uh, an upper body gymnastics pressing movement. Now, like that's like the bare minimum barrier to entry to like an upper body gymnastics pressing movement. Now, like that's like baseline yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh man. So let's wrap it up with like the most impressive question, right, like what do you guys think is more impressive? A 50 foot legless rope climb that you have to like, keep climbing the whole time and climb your way down, or 75 unbroken ring muscle-ups? And I think about what they're calling for a second what do you think, just? Um, either strict, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:If you could do it, yeah let's be human 75 ring muscle-ups because of the same thing I said in our group chat group text the other day. I bet I could find a five to seven year old that could do a 50 foot legless rope climb off the street, off the street, off the street street. The amount of times I've been to competitions I see just kids like passing around on the ropes and I'm like I wish I could do that it's true, kids are strangely good on rope climbs uh-huh, I can't say walking on the ropes uh, I also have seen a girl.
Speaker 2:I can't remember who it was. It might have been Delia, one of the female teen athletes. A couple years ago did like 71 unbroken bar muscle ups.
Speaker 3:I think she was a misfit athlete at the time.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think you're right. I can't remember her name was it?
Speaker 3:Ashley Jurecki is that? A name I remember seeing that it's that a name. I don't think so. I remember saying that it's not a name.
Speaker 2:I've kind of halfway seen 75 Unbroken Ring Muscle Ups, except it was 71 Unbroken Bar Muscle Ups. How long did that take? It was like three or four minutes. I think she was on the bar for a long time. But I also I don't know the height factor of a 50 foot legless rope climb right like it's terrifying like are they wearing a harness?
Speaker 1:calm it down. Nah, bro, you're straight, you're just strapped in there like there's risk, no harness on a 50 foot leg no harness yeah that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Climb up and climb down, bro, all right I'm gonna say that's more impressive and also much stupider no, no, harness.
Speaker 3:I'm going the rope climb then, because that's more impressive that someone would attempt it with no harness.
Speaker 1:I mean, you think about it, people like that movie. Free Solo People will be climbing crazy mountain landscapes with nothing attached to them.
Speaker 3:That's terrifying. That's different movies.
Speaker 2:Who does Tom? Cruise? Tom Cruise, oh my God.
Speaker 1:It's about dedication to your craft out there. Tom Cruise is a Sponge god. It's about dedication to your craft out there. Tom Cruise is a Spongebob of freaking action movies.
Speaker 2:I think Tom Cruise is comforted by the fact that if he dies he just hops on that comet and flies away right.
Speaker 1:It would be pretty comforting. What's the name of that freaking?
Speaker 2:Scientology.
Speaker 1:Yo man, I need to believe in something so deeply like that. It's crazy. We watched uh one of the docs it's about. It's not scientology, but this some influencer tiktok dancer girl. She got into one of those like cults out in uh california yeah yeah and uh, we watched that about her and so now, like I guess the other sister is married to a football player, something like that, so Julia has like updates beyond her life. I'm like, babe, these people are psycho, I don't care about them, you know.
Speaker 2:So I watched that documentary when it came out and it was so crazy because I get like three minutes in and all these instagram names are popping up with people who are like, are or were involved in the cult and I was like I follow all of them, I watch their videos all the time yep, yep.
Speaker 1:And then it turns out they're all in this weird cult that's nuts man, that was recent right, recent right, that one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was that's what we watched was like the Twin Flame cult, which was like kind of similar. That was a fun one.
Speaker 2:That was a good one.
Speaker 1:The cult stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the dancing one was, I think like three or four months ago, the documentary came out Delia Elizabeth. Delia Moises, yeah 75 Unbroken. Was it 75?
Speaker 3:75.
Speaker 2:It took.
Speaker 3:It took over seven minutes.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was way off.
Speaker 1:Seven minutes of bar muscle ups Well. I'm sorry you'll call a 50 foot rope, and then you can be more impressive out there, homegirl.
Speaker 2:But also what we were talking about. Like kids are these tiny little things. Like you know, they weigh a piece of paper and Delia was tiny when she did that and I think she was a gymnast right when she was younger, or she still is.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:So, like you know, a 40 pound gymnast just flying up on the bar for 75 reps, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's nuts. Well, there you go, folks. We we've broken it all down for you. You know, road rack, conspiracy theories, who should take over CrossFit and what's the most impressive thing out there. You know, guys, thank you for coming on the podcast again. Oh yeah, we'll have to try to figure out how many episodes it says.
Speaker 1:I think this is at least nine, probably because you came on like three times that one summer, uh like before you, yeah, so like that, like pads it pretty easily, justin, I think this is three for you, right this is three.
Speaker 3:I was gonna say I gotta start catching up. I'm just gonna start hitting up with episode ideas.
Speaker 2:We'll do like 10 minute episodes does the um, does the pet peeve episode count too?
Speaker 1:the pet peeve. Yeah, that counts in there too. So that might actually make it 10 then, because I actually did forget about that one. Yeah, you have a lost episode. It's, it's out there, but it's it's just not on all the platforms. I know it's crazy. We'll start doing like two and a half minute episodes.
Speaker 3:Catch up real quick yeah, you know, I mean we're going for, we're going for total runtime, jay episode count doesn't matter, it's total runtime oh well, I mean shit. Uh well, I feel like both the justice episodes were like an hour, though too, you know I said we, I mean just texting a lot the past couple months we got we got a lot to talk about yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like yours are long too and mel's. Mel's was long, the first one was definitely like 50 minutes. Mel talks a lot. Yeah, it's good, it's great. It's great when people talk a lot. All right, dogs, we're gonna get out of here. Peace.