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Justin Q Counter Culture
In this captivating episode, we sit down with Justin Quintero from the Counterculture Podcast to uncover the intricate world of inner monologues and how they shape our thoughts and motivations. Throughout the conversation, Justin shares his journey from band member to content creator and coach, driven by a relentless need for a creative outlet.
What's up, dogs? This is T the Kid of the Hungry Dog Barbell Podcast, and this week I'm joined by Justin Quintero of the Counterculture Podcast. Justin had been on live before rapping back and forth mostly about music, but this time we sat down to talk about everything from Vince McMahon to CrossFit. To how much time will Diddy do Enjoy this episode? Peace. Do you have an inner monologue? So I've been like asking members at the gym that shit right like yeah, you have an inner monologue like does your?
Speaker 1:does your all your thoughts thinking inside of your head right now?
Speaker 2:yes, yeah, hell, yeah, dude, I've seen that. I've seen this a lot too. Hillar said something about that too, like, do you have a voice? In your head type thing that's.
Speaker 1:That's where I stole it from recently, right, I thought so too. It was one of the things where I kind of forgot. But you know shit, hey, there you go yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2:I yeah, I definitely do, bro, definitely there's like this, like this, like inner dialogue all the time. It's like a voice. You know what I mean? Yeah, and it's funny that you bring that up, because I asked heather that, because I'm like, damn, am I crazy, you know? So I'm like I'm like dude, do you have a voice in here? Do you like think in words and thoughts, or how do you think she's like? I guess I never really thought about that, but yeah, dude, right, I'm like very uh that. And then like I think in vivid, like imagery, are you like that?
Speaker 1:like imagery kind of. I feel like I I think I think in like terms of action, like always, like what would I do? How would I react, like every situation you know. But so is it your voice Like? Do you hear it in your voice, in your head, or is it someone else's voice?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good question too. I feel like it's some like a mixture of both, almost. You know what I mean. Yeah, like I have, I have the voice, I think that's like my voice, that's like um kind of I don't know conversational or whatever. And then there's this like other voice that like tells me when to not be a pussy, you know, and it's like not me, it's like an external like force that's coming in, you know yo big motivator.
Speaker 1:Right, there, don't be a pussy. It's constant dude, it's constant sometimes. You just got to cut it up like that. I love that dude. So I asked the people at the gym that day the other day right, that's what I was saying, and this one girl says that she's got a voice in her head and it's a man's voice. I was like, oh my god, we need another whole, whole two hour podcast just to deep dive into that one.
Speaker 2:Right, there might be something else going on there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot going on with that one too. But so so, bro, like let's talk about kind of now and then like back it up, man, like what made you want to hop on the microphone and start putting yourself out there, like like you do now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, that's a good question. I feel like a majority of my life has been spent creating some kind of content. So when I was a kid, I was in bands and then I was in one band that did really well and so, yeah, like tours, we were going to tour and all this stuff we were in talks with like some people in California, all this stuff, right. So the plan was always to create content somehow, and then I realized at some point that I kind of gave that away and my new art became coaching, but like it didn't give me as much of a creative outlet as I wanted, and so I'd always been on and off like creating YouTube videos and like shorts or reels, just trying to find like something to pour pour into, right, and um, it's funny, cause I get.
Speaker 2:I got in this relationship with Heather and she had always told me like geez, you can chop it up with anybody. Like you, just don't shut up, you know, cause I'd always I'm always the person like find somebody at the home depot or some shit and just have like a 30 minute conversation. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I like to know about people.
Speaker 2:I like, I like, I really like to know how people's brains work, you know, and see what, what makes people tick. Um, and I, I opened a gym, you know that, and some like drama stuff happened with that gym. The business kind of like dwindled out and I found myself like really, I don't know how to say it like a little bit lost again for the first time in years. Right. So I read this book called um outwitting the devil. Have you heard of it? No, dude, it's a. It's a really, really good book I definitely recommend. I think it's Daniel Carnegie. No, it's not Daniel Carnegie, maybe it is, I don't.
Speaker 2:Regardless, I read this book. Yeah, look it up. Um, I, I read this book and at some point he's just like the whole book is the premise of like him having a conversation with the devil, and one of the things that the devil does to hold man back is he instills fear in them, whether it be through, like schools, churches or just indoctrination by society. Right, and I started getting to thinking um a lot of these books that talk about enlightenment or like finding your purpose and stuff they always come back to man finds his purpose when, like you know, you find yourself in a dark moment or something, and it's always like within your true calling, like basically what you're supposed to do, what you're called to do.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, I was reading that book and some light switched on. That was like, dude, I need to be doing a podcast. I need to go back to content because throughout my entire life, like, if I look at the trend, the themes are pretty common. Right, I'm a believer that God gives you something when you're young and that stuff fizzles away due to society or whatever. And so, yeah, it flipped it. It flipped at me like content. And then what's? What's the progression of content till now? Podcasting? So that's kind of I know it's a long winded answer, but that's, that's how it all came to be.
Speaker 1:Now that's still so. Like you talked about kind of in the beginning, you were you were making early content, so like YouTube clips and shorts and stuff like that. What were you first making content about? Like what was it based around?
Speaker 2:yeah. So I think that the the first way that I like got into content was creating fitness content. So fitness youtube was a big thing like years ago, probably 10, 12 years ago. Um, I started seeing that trend and I hopped on it pretty quick, but I had always had this like little fear in me, like what if people find out that I'm making these youtube videos or whatever? Right, because it was before people got paid and there was influencers or whatever. And yeah, so then as the years kind of go, I started more into Instagram, youtube short or like not YouTube.
Speaker 2:Actually, I would do some like chronic illness YouTube stuff because I have a chronic illness and that was that was mainly just like a sales funnel to get clients online clients. But then I started really like diving into when I got into CrossFit, creating like content around CrossFit, like reels of just like me working out motivational clips like yelling at people basically telling them to stop being pussies and stop being a loser. You know that type of thing and that actually funny enough. Um, some of my most viral content I wouldn't say it's like super viral, but when reels came out, I started doing these shorts that were in ice barrels and I'd like, do these little motivational talks in a cold bath. You know, before cold baths were like super cool you were at the front of the cold, the cold plunge.
Speaker 2:I was that guy dude, that's funny. No, it's um. I saw eric hinman and he like inspired me to like start doing ice barrels and uh or you did.
Speaker 1:You do it out outside too, like on a deck, like with the sun coming up behind you so I tried that a couple times, like with the sunset.
Speaker 2:But uh, I think I think the the more viral ones happen when, like I live in wisconsin, so it's like super cold, so I'd be out in winter like with the snow everywhere, doing a yeah, but yeah that, and then, um, yeah, dude. So I now I just basically I do some reels here and there if I feel it, but mostly podcasts, shorts, and then I actually do still have my other youtube channel that I funnel clients through too yeah, that's still so.
Speaker 1:You've been in like exercise for a while, right, like how, when, how, when did? When did you start? Like, when did you first walk into the gym? Like, tell me about like your athletic background, like when you were a kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I actually started working out via P90X and Insanity. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1:Let's go, of course, bro. What, oh my God, that's my shit.
Speaker 2:Tony Horton and Sean.
Speaker 1:What was yeah, that's my shit tony horton and sean uh, what was sean's last name wasn't?
Speaker 2:sean taylor, sean t? Is that who that dude was?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, sean t, yeah, yeah sean, he's still going at it too, bro. I mean, he's got a little different kind of vibe going on right now, but he's still going at it that dude is a genetic freak dude.
Speaker 2:He's crazy. I remember watching those commercials. I'd be like they're really ripped like that because of these programs. No, no way, hell, no, yeah, dude. So, uh, the story kind of goes one day I was driving my car and old mercury sable right, I bought it for 300 bucks off an aunt of mine and I'm driving down this road called lake five and there's like a bump in the road. I'm in high school, probably like 16, and I hit the bump and I had just got done eating a McGang bang from McDonald's. You know what? That is right, if you don't know what a McGang bang is, it's a McDouble. And then you put a McChicken in between it and smash it down. So I just got done eating one of those dude for the first time ever. I felt my stomach jiggle and I was like, oh hell, no, I gotta get this taken care of I know exactly that feeling, bro.
Speaker 1:You know what my my custom mcdonald's meal was? I used to get the big chicken and have haven't put cheese on it, or chicken like two big chickens with cheese. Oh my god, yes, stomach, stomach, stomach rumbling, just like you said every single time. But they keep going.
Speaker 2:You said every single time. But they keep going, story, it's an immediate trip to the bathroom, dude. Oh yeah, bro. Um, so yeah, I, uh. And then from there I started p90x insanity. And then there was like a local powerlifting gym, it was called wisconsin barbell, and so one day I walked in there and I remember I had to like beg my mom to like get me coaching because we were broke right and it was like 125 bucks for the month or something, and so we walked in and they were running that special and, um, damn, it was, that's it, that's that's like that's probably like two-some down pa or yeah new york.
Speaker 2:You know that's crazy yeah, dude, it was, it was wild, so we walked in and then that kind of started my journey with powerlifting. I've been in love with the weights ever since Hell. Yeah, yeah bro.
Speaker 1:So you, you were working out through powerlifting, right, and, like I know, you give a little bit of hate to CrossFit sometimes. Now we're going to get to that, but you said you, you did some CrossFit. Bro, tell me me about that. How did you get introduced to it and like, what's your earlier experiences like with it?
Speaker 2:yeah, so there's definitely there's no hate towards crossfit at all. I think what's interesting about like the well, we'll get into that, because what I think is interesting about the crossfit world is, um, I feel like any constructive criticism that you have about crossfit is taken as you know, like like you just insulted someone's mom.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like it's, like it's wild, it's wild. So back in the day, for sure, dude, I had tons of hate for CrossFit because I didn't know shit about it, right, and then I got bit by the bug, but yeah. So what was the question? How did I get into CrossFit?
Speaker 1:Yeah, based off of what you just said, right, so tell me the first time that you heard about it or saw it that like you were like in a hated mindset, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't remember the first time that I saw or heard about CrossFit, but I remember specifically being like I. It had to have been like one of those fail videos, cause those are really big, like in 2013, 14, right For CrossFit, for sure, and so I. So I like I said I, I came up in a powerlifting gym and that's where I like even resided for I don't know 10 years of my fitness journey, maybe eight, and so I remember seeing a video and it was the pull-ups, and then they were doing like snatches too, and all of the round backs, you know snatching like that. And then, because it's the early days, nobody was focused on, like you know, efficiency or anything from what I can remember. Yeah, and I just remember being like, oh, those guys are gay, this is so stupid. You know, like all this like like foul shit.
Speaker 2:And then, um, eventually, covid happened and our gym had, like we got shut down. You know the powerlifting gym and I, I rented space from the powerlifting gym and ran my business out of it, and so the the thing that opened up the quickest was the CrossFit gym that I was actually living on top of. I was on like living on top of the box. And so one day I was like, ah, you know what, I'm just going to give this CrossFit thing a try. And so I walked in the gym and, uh, this coach, this is like it sticks with me, dude, it was, it will be with me forever. This, uh, the coach, like, he put us through the workout and, bro, I was smoked, smoked, absolutely rocked. And by the end of it I was like, oh, I get it, dude, I understand, like I understand why people like this.
Speaker 2:And then so I talked to the guy and I didn't know anything about it. Right, I didn't know that you could compete. The only thing I knew about was the games. That was it. That's the only thing I had ever been introduced to. And so I didn't know how you got there. I didn't. I thought it was maybe something you do. I'm just trying to get the low from him, right, I'm trying to figure it all out. And he's like he said to me and he goes obviously you'll never make it to the games. So, and the conversation paused, right there, dude, in my head, and done, right, there was like I was like this guy doesn't know me, he doesn't know anything about my athletic background.
Speaker 2:He blah, blah, blah blah, and then I had these aspirations of becoming a games athlete, as I think, like I've heard the story, everybody thinks that when they first start, but I remember that was the one thing that I was going to be one too, you know, shout out to her. I said my mom thought I was going to be one too.
Speaker 1:You know? Shout out to her. I said my mom thought I was gonna be one too.
Speaker 2:Yeah shout out to her and dude. So I was like bro, I, yeah, I was pissed dude. So like I took that to heart for like three years and gave as much as I could to crossfit, yeah and uh, yeah. But I didn't know anything about like affiliate life or anything like that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, oh, you just train on your own.
Speaker 2:I was in the affiliate for like a little while, but I immediately went to like I've always had a personal coach for everything. So, like powerlifting, I had my coach who was the owner of the gym uh, strongman, he coached me for that. Bodybuilding. I had a coach, alberto nunez from 3dmj um, and then so immediately I went on. I, I went online. I was like remote coaches for CrossFit on.
Speaker 1:Google. It's like Ben Bergeron got shipped to me. There you go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, and yeah, he was actually one of the guys that popped up, but it was just what was his training protocol called His program.
Speaker 1:Comp train.
Speaker 2:Comp train. That was the only thing that popped up. And then I remember I saw Noah olsen on instagram and I was like dude, that dude looks crazy, like just the way he looked. Right, yeah, I was like I want to look like that, like who is this? Who coaches this guy? What does he do? I went to his page and I figured out it was max el haj, and then I looked on max's thing that training think tank and and so yeah, for four years now I've been with Mia Gianelli from Training Think Tank.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's dope dude. They really started to take off and they program. From what I see, one of my close buddies works with them too. What I see like they got a lot of really good programming. Tell me more about CounterCulture, dude, like tell me why you started this specific brand and like what it means and what you're doing with the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, I I like kind of have a hard time describing counterculture because I feel like it's like in its infancy that we're in, right, it's been through a couple of phases, um, but really what it is at its core is just like I've kind of always been this sounds like really interesting to say, but I've always been kind of rebellious, right. I feel like I was always like the kid up until like adulthood that like didn't really want to follow in society's like trends or norms or anything Although podcast, really what it is like I want to talk to a lot of people to help motivate.
Speaker 2:You know the everyday person, cause I feel like so many people are stuck in their mundane daily routines of like go to my nine to five job and kind of just do what everybody tells me Happy life, happy wife type stuff or happy wife happy life, have a family, white picket fence, be okay with my 401k and my $70,000 per year job and, you know, don't worry about my health. And traditional values are not good. All this stuff you know and like really, really everything that's kind of promoted by culture, I like that's exactly why it says counterculture. It's just trying to be like counter of what the culture is, because I think that culture has become so hellish, almost right, like so many like bad things are promoted, like kids are getting into drugs early, people are like promiscuous sex is crazy right now Not that we haven't all dabbled in all these things, right, but like, um, I feel like I feel like so many of like society's old norms such as like masculinity and and like being abstinent or like not using drugs and all this shit is just like demonized, right, and I think that that's part of why we're seeing society crumble.
Speaker 2:And so I want to, I want to encourage people to be entrepreneurial, or like have dreams and go out and chase them and like, if you, if you don't want to drink and party, don't drink and party. Like there's no reason that you have to do it. And even like help motivate people, like get a harder mindset. Because I've been through struggles in life, I've been through depressions, I've been through the lowest of lows, the highest of highs, even that, dude, I just feel like some people need a big brother to be like hey, dude, get off your ass, stop being a pussy, stop crying every single day. Like go and do it, you know what I mean. Like more of a masculine voice and so many things like I said that are demonized today. I just kind of want to help bring light to, instead of having it like sit in the dark.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's dope. I'm gonna hit a couple of things, uh, based off of that stuff. Uh, first, um, like I know, last time I was on live with you, we talked a lot about, like my background with drugs and alcohol, like, like, tell us a little bit about yours, man. Have you ever struggled with any demons, whether they be internal or like external, through like different vices, stuff like that?
Speaker 2:My, my whole, not my whole family, but, like a good amount of my family, are alcoholics or were alcohol. I don't know how do you say it. We're alcoholics or are, and so I like to say that I never really had a problem with alcohol, but alcohol had a problem with me, for sure, so like you know, um, I would.
Speaker 2:I, I was never like a drink every day type of guy. I just couldn't like, I could never justify that. But then the weekends that I had that I was going out to drink, I'd be drinking like twice a week or something, but it wasn't just like to like have a couple of drinks. It'd always be like to get gnarly right To just get like messed up. And so, yeah, dude, I had a.
Speaker 2:I had a lot of struggles in terms of dealing with that Um, because, like I, I would always be able to justify it Like it's not a problem, I'm not drinking every single day. This, that the third. But I think that a lot of people actually struggle more with, um, not having that balance rather than like drinking every day type of issues. You know we define alcoholism by having a dependency on alcohol and most characteristics of it, I think, are people who drink every single day rather than like binge drinking twice on the weekend. Right, I think that they can both be just as equal problem as the other. And so, yeah, that that's been really my only substance thing like that that I ever dealt with. Yeah, do you do you feel like you've been able to balance it, since getting clean Like alcohol hasn't been a problem for you.
Speaker 1:You mean when I first got clean of opioids or like now Opioids, like did now.
Speaker 2:Opioids. Like did you? Were you always drinking? And like did that ever stop? Like once you got clean and stuff, or did it like come later on?
Speaker 1:So I turned 21, like I think, around the same time I was starting to get off dope and like I wasn't a drinker, because I was doing that, you know. And then when I first got clean, I became a super fitness freak dude. Like when you know, like I did that, like how bad people do, like I used to do it. At the time I was like 165 pounds, you know, like I was just yeah I was the spartan race.
Speaker 1:Like love, a 400 meter run cross. That that's who I was. I wasn't the weightlifter. There was no. There was like skinny dogs you know hungry dogs around there uh.
Speaker 1:So yeah, like, and I was like hyper, like, uh, chicken, white rice, broccoli, like no, drinking. And then you start a little bit like casually in the beginning, and then, like, right before my 30s, you know like I'd start going through life, starts lifing, and you start to let it get away from you if you're not disciplined. Like I said, right, like it's I, and I came to just a realization, um, a few months ago like dude, a lot of your goals and the the things that you want just lie on the other side of discipline. Like that's all it would take. You know, it's not like you have to freaking reinvent the wheel, like a little bit of discipline here, and there is going to go a long way, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, tell me what you think about this. I've always thought so and maybe this is just my way to justify not drinking anymore. Um, but I w I like when I stopped, when I stopped drinking, it was I started. I did 75 hard and then I remember drinking cause 75 hard ended about two weeks before my birthday and so we scheduled like a pedal tavern. I know we scheduled a pedal tavern and so we went on that. And then I remember I remember like having my first sip of beer, but 70 days clean or 75 whatever, and I had the first sip of beer and I go, dude, this just does not hit like it used to. Right, right and um, as the night went on, I found myself like thinking like why am I doing this like I do? We were getting hammed, like here in Wisconsin, we just throw it down, right, so we're like we're getting sauce. And then the next day I remember waking up, I was like, dude, that sucked, like none of that was cool, like I'm just just and so what?
Speaker 2:I kind of came to the realization and again tell me if you resonate with this or not, was I don't believe that anyone who's living a fully fulfilled, happy life turns to alcohol at any point. I don't believe that anybody actually likes the taste of alcohol either, because you take enough time off of it, you're not gonna like, your palate's not gonna like it, and then I think that all of it tastes shitty. There's just better tasting shitty, right. And so you like you get accustomed to it. That's why they say it's an acquired taste, right.
Speaker 2:But the biggest thing that I came to is just like I really don't think that like I would need to be drinking at all, even like as an occasional, like, have you know, go for fun. Like obviously alcohol can be a part of a healthy, normal lifestyle, and think that like I would need to be drinking at all, even like as an occasional, like, have you know, go for fun. Like obviously alcohol can be a part of a healthy, normal lifestyle and people can like, have their fun or whatever. But for me it was thinking like I don't know why I would turn to this at all If I was doing exactly what I wanted to be doing in my life at all times. Do you resonate?
Speaker 1:with that.
Speaker 1:I think that, like you said, that people can have the healthy, full lives with alcohol in it. I'm more of a like your overall habits are going to dictate like who you are and kind of how you feel and stuff like that. Because I'm thinking about what you were saying, right, like, the next day after, when you start to cut down on drinking, the next day after becomes worse and worse. So you're like, oh, I don't want to feel like that. You know, like I got shit to do tomorrow, just like, literally, yeah, you and you realize, for me, I could like, I could like look at my days like a lot like and recap them and be like, okay, this is what I did yesterday, this is this is what I got accomplished this day, versus this is what I did yesterday and this is what I did yesterday. This is this is what I got accomplished this day, versus this is what I did yesterday and this is what I got accomplished that day, you know. So it kind of just became the numbers for me, um, and I don't for me.
Speaker 2:I like I haven't put like an exact like I'm I'm gonna be sober for the rest of my life, because I think that maybe there's a season in my life where I pick up, you know, having a beer again, or something like it's not that I'm like if you're living, you're living you know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And it's like just right now there's no net positive that even one drink can offer me, right, no-transcript, that's like fine, right, that once a week might last for four weeks. And then you're like okay, so I haven't seen that much damage from one once a week. So maybe I do two like once a week, so maybe I do two like once a week and you have two, and then it kind of just like bleeds into everything like oh, you know, I used to wake up at 5 30, maybe I can wake up at 5 45 today. You know, all these like different things just kind of slither in right, kobe's got that saying like like never negotiate with yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, like, whatever you say you're gonna do, just do it like. Don't like go back and forth, like oh, I know, I said just like you were like 5, 30, but 5, 45 is just as good. Like don't do that, don't do that shit, just go do what you said you were gonna do for sure dude yeah so so let's talk about some wacky stuff now, right like I think that some of the movies out there that they make like big hollywoods.
Speaker 2:We're talking about big stuff oh, conspiracies, are we doing conspiracies?
Speaker 1:let's go hell. Yeah, bro, uh, like I think some of the movies out there that they make are really big hollywood either the people on the inside like just playing in our face, or them like secretly telling us like yo, this is what's going on right now, like some whistleblower type stuff, like like men in black, definitely probably going on out there. You know stuff like that, do you? Do you? Have you ever watched the movie and thought you know that's definitely real life? Dude, clip this shit.
Speaker 2:All the movies, all the movies that are put out, there are some sort of social programming. That's my belief, that's my belief.
Speaker 1:Lord of the Rings. What's that one about? Tell me.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you, dude. So there's obviously there's so many conspiracy theories out there, right, but there's there's so many like stories from the Bible of like giants and stuff, right, and I think that what's really interesting to me is OK. So obviously you know big, like I'm sorry to everybody with the hurricanes and stuff like that, like it sucks, it's not good, but like, dude, look at some of the stuff that's, look at some of that stuff that's going on. And then you see, like I was watching this, this conspiracy channel. He's kind of a whack job, right, he's really wacky, but some of the, a lot of stuff that he says yeah, I forget, I forget what his name is, dude but a lot of the stuff that he says doesn't seem that far out of reach. When you like, look at some of the government programs, right, and then you look at some of these, these movies that they've made about like big storms, like Day After Tomorrow Is that what it was called?
Speaker 1:Day After Tomorrow Twister. I just watched that recently.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so when, like watching that stuff, it's like it's almost like they do want you to get desensitized to some of these things that happen in real life, Right, and I like I have to beg the question and wonder why? Because even when you look at like kids dude, kids are so not in tune with real life because they're playing video games and they're like killing people in real in in video games and like a bunch of the stuff that they get to watch on TV has all that too, Right. And so I think that, yeah, for me at least, uh, I think a lot of these Hollywood things not to get like too deep into it, but a lot of these Hollywood movies and shows and stuff is definitely social programming, dude, in my opinion, that doesn't mean that it's not still entertaining.
Speaker 1:Right, but would you, would you want to know, like the secrets, like you know they say there's a president book, a president's book out there, like you know how they release it? There's a uh, there's supposedly been aliens at uh uh, area 51.
Speaker 2:Would you want to know the secrets? That's funny, dude. Is this a viral question going around too, cause one of my clients actually asked me that.
Speaker 1:I've heard it before, but I've heard it before for sure. Like I don't know if it's going around right now, but yeah, like I think about that a lot, I wouldn't want to know. Like don't trust me with that information.
Speaker 2:No, dude, Hell. No. My client asked me that too this week, I think on Monday. He was like would you want if they had a book? And they had all the secrets of the world in this book? And they came to you like Justin, do you want to read this? I was like hell, no.
Speaker 2:Oh man yeah right, no way, I'm dude. No way, I'm already so far transformers, I'm cool. Yeah, exactly, dude. I'm so far gone like in outer space with all that stuff anyway, that if, if it was confirmed, I'd be like, yeah. But you know, dude, that's what I think is like really cool about the time that we live in right now is it's almost like we're in a movie, like just the, the, the tables keep turning like every second. Like you know, the diddy stuff trump just got.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna say that's so funny.
Speaker 2:Trump just got like an attempt assassination two times. Biden's clearly like, clearly demented. And you know, kamala I, we don't know what's going on with her like wait, kamala, they just let her get in there, get nominated.
Speaker 1:No kind of nothing, right yeah?
Speaker 2:it's just like we live in a clown world, dude, like it's just so interesting to see, because like yeah, I, I think about that often, right? And to touch on the diddy thing, like my girlfriend came home on tuesday last week and she was like her and her co-workers had been talking about the diddy thing. Her co-workers are like obsessed with it. She didn't know shit about it, right. And then she comes home and she's telling me did you know diddy's girlfriend blah blah, blah, blah, like all this stuff, like kind of the like the gilmore girls version of like what's happening on with diddy, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:like she learned that. She learned that today kind of that's crazy yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then so I was like I was like, oh man, this is kind of cute seeing like the conspiracy like wheel go on in her head right. And so then I started taking her down, like all the like masonic stuff and like the sex rituals and like all the crazy shit right, the like the literally people think it's crazy shit right, and she's like no way that's actually happening. I'm like I don't know, dude, maybe, but it's just crazy to see that, um, the conspiracy theorists for years were talking about jeffrey epstein, they were talking about the stuff with diddy, the cia and all this stuff and it's just like randomly coming to light.
Speaker 1:It's wild yeah, I mean they've been trying to expose diddy for a while. I mean, yeah, I mean look at, look at, look at biggie, you know, yeah, like this all but confirms that like there was probably bigger forces at play, bigger, bigger chips at play.
Speaker 2:Free Suge dude Free Suge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean I think I think Suge was at a lower level doing some weird shit, maybe not as sick as Diddy, but like some other kind of nefarious shit there. You know, that's this.
Speaker 2:We got to lock these people up, dude, I mean, I think it's just crazy, you know.
Speaker 1:And then, like you wonder why Justin Bieber and like Kanye are so like godly. You know Well, kanye. Kanye is a different side of the coin. Same thing His mom got, you know, like basically sacrificed for him to have that career. Um, she bought into the LA lifestyle If people are listening, I mean, whether you want to think about it on, you know, know, like a level like that, or just like she fell victim to it, like either one, they're the same thing you know, yeah, dude, I remember I remember hearing the kanye thing and I was like, dude, this is what happens.
Speaker 2:Like it's just like, yeah, dude, I I have such a hard time, I don't know, like exactly you know where your podcast goes and like what you talk about like that much throughout the conversation. But, dude, it's just like you know, it's almost hard for me to like to have conversations with people that just think all this stuff is not true or is like too crazy to be true. Because, even if we take it to like surface level, right, it's like politicians and corporations are okay with killing our sons and daughters on a daily basis by sending them to other countries to fight in stuff that they don't even believe in, right? So if they're willing to do that, why do you not think that they're going to like that there could be some more nefarious stuff happening? Like I genuinely think that it's a spiritual war that's going on. Not like, not actually like worldly type stuff, right? So, like, if you even look at, like that girl what's her name? The spirit cooker woman do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2:no idea about spirit cooker oh, dude, you gotta look this chick up. She's invited to all of the big hollywood and like political parties I forget what her name is, but they call her the spirit cooker and she always like makes stuff that like looks like fake human sacrifice and like just dude, wild shit. And it's art, right, it's art. And I'm like, really, that's art. Like. Why are politicians like, why are politicians even like involved with that type of art in quotes, right. And then you look into like bohemian grove and all the things that happen there and alex jones infiltrating bohemian grove in like 1998. When you watch those tapes, yeah, dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Do you think Diddy does time?
Speaker 2:I think that they say he does time. What do you?
Speaker 1:think Something happens. I think I don't know. I think he drops a dime on somebody and then he does a couple years. I don't know if it's going to go as deep as some Epstein stuff, but I don't want to get canceled. That that bad, yeah. Do you think this? This does, uh, does diddy affect biggie's legacy?
Speaker 2:oh, what do you mean? How so?
Speaker 1:do you look at biggie? Does he drop down lower on your list after looking at his involvement with Diddy?
Speaker 2:Because maybe he diddled Diddy.
Speaker 1:You know, did Biggie Diddy? Is that why they call him Diddy? Did he get the Diddy from Biggie?
Speaker 2:Did Biggie give Diddy the Diddler? Did Biggie give the? Diddler the Diddy there you go Diddler the Diddy? Yeah, no, dude, I don't think so. I can separate the art from the person. What do you think you does? Does biggie go down on your list?
Speaker 1:I think he's. He stays about where he is. He had a short body of work anyway, so yeah he's. I don't, I don't think, I don't know if he's at my top, he's not my top 10, right he's not in your top 10 not top 5, probably the top 10 okay who's your top?
Speaker 1:10, maybe. Maybe, though, because like, all right, let me see, like the new people, I got kendrick and cole and drake up there. Wayne, andre 3000 is number one. Uh, I probably go andre naz, uh, jay j cole, wayne, and then I'm probably gonna put eminem somewhere up there. That's what. Six jada kiss method man, and I got two spots left. So like, okay, biggie might have rapped better than jada kiss for 36 months, yeah, but jada got you know how many years of rapping. Well, so in my top 10, I don't know if I put biggie in, you know, and it just rappers, and if I talk about influence, then tupac is higher than biggie, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure yeah, but I think, to be honest, tupac would always be like top one for me.
Speaker 1:I'm just such a fan of his stuff, dude influence wise, it's hard to put him anywhere outside of at least top three. You know for sure um does does diddy. Does diddy affect meek mills legacy?
Speaker 2:meek. Meek reputation is ben messed up, dude freak mill yeah he's got my favorite.
Speaker 1:He's got my favorite tweets out there. I love every time he tweets he says some crazy shit dude.
Speaker 2:People have been calling him gay for years too.
Speaker 1:You know it was it was him in the pool with the fries. That's what got me yes, dude, I think.
Speaker 2:I think meek's reputation is so. Done, dude. Six nine punked him, bro, six nine punked you you're over.
Speaker 1:Your career is over, dude a little bit of that is because, like this, like six, nine's demographic is on social media. Shit is the crowd. You know, it's like if you had a rap battle, right, and freaking all the people in the crowds, your friends, like you go away no matter what the two people are saying. You know, um, but you know off rap, right, let's talk about a little bit of CrossFit game stuff. Like I want your take on this stuff, right, do you? First? Do you think that trash talk has a place in sport?
Speaker 2:Yeah, unequivocally yes, dude. I've been saying that. I've been saying for CrossFit, like we need a McGregor bad boy for sure, and I think I think colton's starting to do that, and you think colton's gonna be the, gonna be the bad boy?
Speaker 2:yeah, I think colton's like kind of a friend of mine, right. So I like I love colton and what he's been doing, like he's come such a long way, dude, developing his character and his like kind of persona too. Yeah, I think he's gonna be that guy, um, but yeah for sure, there's trash talk, like trash talking. He's dude. How do you keep it interesting? Right, what sells tickets, entertainment and crossfit, like for the longest time, has always been like and not to anyone's fault not to like, not to talk shit. But it's been like this, like and I'm a christian, right, so I say this with my hands up to god but it's been like the freaking stereotypical christian good boy like, yeah, wholesome, like dude. Yeah, okay, I get it, you know what I mean. Like I'm a wholesome christian good boy too, but also there's like kind of a side of me that like is, like you know, wants that wants to get down right yeah, I think I think I agree completely.
Speaker 1:I think crossfit's too clean. Um, I love what colin's doing. On top of that, I would say that there's also like a platform out there that's developing and like reps ahead. I think that that's really going to that head to head thing that they've been doing, like pop-ups and like at all the different comps and stuff like that. I think that's a great platform for them to introduce that side of sport.
Speaker 2:And you can put me on record saying this you can click, you can do whatever you want with this, but, like the majority of the majority of athletes have zero personality, like, yeah, they, they don't. Like I've I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of really cool ones, right, like colton kyra, like a bunch of people right, jesse smith, um, all like a bunch of these people have personalities, but I would say that the majority of these crossfit people have zero personality and that's what's right, because and it's not to their own fault, but well, it kind of is but the the sport requires so much of you that it probably drains all of your energy that it's hard to even be a person you know because you have to be on all the freaking time, right, and so something that I think that, like again, I'm going to defer to Colton something that he's done really well is that he's actually held a normal job.
Speaker 2:He has to do normal people's shit so he can actually like relate to the normal person and then he like is able to talk shit and be entertaining because he understands that that's what normal people need, but at the same time, he has this other side of him that's so intense that he can like dial in where he needs to dial in. You know, and I think that a lot of these other crossfitters just think that they need to 24, 7, 388 days of the year be dialed in and on and can't do anything. I mean, even look at the way that I've been paying attention to some of the ways that they like influence and try to like sell people's products and shit.
Speaker 2:Dude, I I'm like I would never buy anything with your code, you know because like you took a picture that like didn't even say anything relevant to what the product is, or any like why would I buy it with your code?
Speaker 2:Like, I'm gonna go to the website read it Unless you're my friend, you know, unless you're my friend, I'm gonna go read what the product is about, because you didn't tell me shit about it. And all that just to say that I think that CrossFit could definitely benefit more from the entertainment aspect, rather than just focusing on like who the fittest is, cause obviously, at the end of the day, whoever wins the CrossFit games is going to be the fittest. So I think that if they could do things like like the uh, the open announcements are dope it, it's super entertaining. If they could do more stuff like that throughout the year, which is kind of what it sounds like with reps ahead that they're doing, just having head-to-head things throughout the year if they did more shit like that and built up characters and built up like athletes throughout the year, yeah, that'd be amazing. I think way more people would be drawn to it, because they'd get to see personalities within the sport hell yeah, I mean hell yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Um, have you watched on the wwe note? Have you watched freaking the vince mcmahon documentary on espn? No dude, uh, check it out. It is good nuts, it's so good it's. It tells a story in the beginning. I'll just tell you this a little bit like about how he, his dad, was like absentee in his life for the first, like whatever six, seven years, and he meets him and his dad's the one that was first into wrestling, and like he eventually went on to buy the company from his dad. You know his dad thought he couldn't do it and then all this other shit and like his relationships that he built with all these people throughout the decades. It's nuts, bro, that's cool. And it talks about like what I just said. You know like him telling storylines and learning how to like play on the crowd and get people invested and like, yeah, like you, you, you know it's not exactly real, but you get bought in. You know, like he learned how to make a good guy and how to make a bad bot guy and all this shit.
Speaker 2:It's, it's nuts yeah, the problem that crossfit faces is that, like though they don't employ any of these athletes either. You know, like I do have a lot of like good things to say about crossfit, but I think I have a hell of a lot more bad things to say in terms of like with with that type of stuff. Right, because I, like I dude, I would love to see that happen, but the problem is like they can't make it happen because they don't employ any of these people, so they can't actually, like, take charge of their life at all. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Right. And then if you employ Frick it, I mean they might as well Like T is their golden goose, right, but like yeah, if she gets employed by them, then it's like playing favorites you know, so there's exactly what happens.
Speaker 1:But like, yeah, I'm sorry, there's, that's what happens. But like, yeah, I'm sorry, spoiler for anyone out there like they talk about it multiple different times, like at wrestlemania's, which is like the championships of wwe, wwf, like a lot of times, like the big name, people wouldn't know who was going to win the match, like beforehand. So while stuff's kind of predetermined, who is the good guy, who is the bad guy, like they don't even tell you until you get into the match. You know, and there was a lot of like that's crazy. There's a lot of seniority stuff in play. There's a lot of like people getting backstabbed. Like there's there's one uh episode that's all about like one of the premier stars getting backstabbed and he thinks he's going into a wrestlemania to win it and like, go off into the, the golden gates, you know, think he's going to retire after that and they ended up backstabbing him and he loses in front of the crowd and it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Right, so it's like fake drama, but that's actual, real drama and real Exactly. You know like it's.
Speaker 1:it's fake drama. That's real and like that played into the whole storyline.
Speaker 2:That's. It's big man, all like he always had the last card to play. It's nuts, that's really cool.
Speaker 1:Actually, I'm gonna have to watch that but then. But then when you put it in perspective of, like crossfit, right, like they hire tia to to no longer promote uh, whatever the name proven her brand, because that's the problem they faced over the past decade and a half, that's the biggest change that I've seen. Right, it went from when I went online. Like all the stars of the sport were only promoting crossfit as the brand, and now they're promoting their own brand. So, like, if tia promotes crossfit strictly instead of her brand, um, then that she shows up to the games to increase her brand, everyone's going to be looking at it like, oh well, of course they're going to make sure that, like, she gets all the great calls because of x, y and z, so they put themselves in that, in that pickle, right, like it's great, you've made the sexy people, the fit people, the stars that that really promote your brand, but then you can't really maximize your usage of them yeah, for sure, yep, and that's the situation you're in right now, you know I.
Speaker 1:then you have shit like you're talking about Colton, right the prime example, and he doesn't make it to the games.
Speaker 2:I know dude, but it's like such a good story though.
Speaker 1:I mean it is, but like it's it's his to tell. Right, you know, like that happens in the WWE, vince McMahon owns the right to tell your story, like he he gets to tell in the movie, the documentary. Five years later when you come back to fight again because you got backstabbed, like yeah, he makes the money off that and stuff.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's, it's a tough situation for for crossfit right now, you know yeah, what I wish that crossfit did more of was like kind of along the same lines, but, like I, I heard that they used to do this but I wish they would like take I don't know if they have a media team, and if they do, I wish they would take them and like do stories on people like colton, like you were a crossfit games athlete for like the past four or five years however long he was in it, and uh, like what did it feel like? And then show like his training kind of going up to now trying to requalify into the crossfit games. You know like, yeah, they used to do stuff like that they did.
Speaker 1:They used to do that, yeah, something similar to that. They would have, like crossfit uh made media that was like follow the athletes on their way to regionals and all that. And I think they're not. I think I know because I keep getting the fucking emails about it like every day and shit that uh, that they're starting like a two-sided media team again and one side's gonna be like for affiliates and stuff like that and then the other side's gonna be like, I guess, game centric kind of stuff. But, um, just hire savannah.
Speaker 2:I don't know why the fuck you wouldn't do that you know he's probably making way more money doing what he's doing anyway, you know yeah, yeah he's he's put together.
Speaker 2:He's put together a really good team too, which is it's pretty wild. It's it's crazy to see, because he's kind of he has given a new blueprint for like a small youtube. Like, let's be real, he's got a small youtube channel right, but like it's a massive media machine with like 32 000 subscribers or whatever he's got. There are some youtube channels with over like a million that don't have a team the way he does.
Speaker 1:It's great, the engagement, engagement that he has, you know yeah, even that, even that.
Speaker 2:But like, what's crazy is that I, you know, I hear whispers from people all the time when I go to events and stuff like he's just a, he's a really good guy, he like helps people out, he like gets people this, he gets people that, he helps them like travel, whatever. Um, I don't think that he gets the flowers that he deserves.
Speaker 1:Dude, you know, genuinely yeah, I think in the across the media. But, dude, I watched when freaking kobe was first happening. I sat at my house and watched uh, savon interview people at the old crossfit offices like for hours and hours. That's where that all started from. I don't know like how long you followed along with that, but he actually used to be on the media staff and he did the early documentaries and stuff and asked the behind the scenes questions. And then, yeah, he started a podcast glass and would be on it a whole bunch of other people that were like, um, who's the dude that they did the kill the fat man documentary on? Well, whatever that dude's name is, he would be on it. And and then they fired everybody. That's crazy, yeah. And then that's where he started his podcast. It went from the video at the Crawford offices to where he is now, like in his basement or whatever.
Speaker 2:And look what happened, dude. Look what happened, dude, look what happened.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I know you're telling me yeah, it's wild. Sometimes you create an animal, sometimes you create a monster, and I think that's what they did so yeah it just.
Speaker 2:It just seems to be crossfit hq the brand, not like, not the exercise modality or whatever um yeah, it just seems to be that they just make so many like really dumb mistakes. I just don't, I I like can't even put myself in the shoes or the position you know like. I just I don't know how they keep missing the mark I know how do you mess up that bad?
Speaker 2:I always think about that like there must be something that I don't know, because it looks bad from the outside you know, dude, and the problem, the the biggest thing is, too, is like right, I think that I I genuinely think that crossfit should hit the masses, but they put the not just crossfit but people in crossfit to like stop the growth of crossfit by putting their foot in their mouth all the time. Right, like, like CrossFit does so. Like CrossFit already has a bad, a bad look from the outside in, right, and then they make a bunch of mistakes that kind of just keep preventing people from coming in. So, like, when you talk to somebody from the affiliates or whatever, they don't get much help from CrossFit HQ and CrossFit. Like CrossFit HQs um, their promotional stuff even is not very good for people that are maybe 65 or 70 or whatever wanting to get into exercise.
Speaker 2:And I've talked to some of my affiliate friends. They'll have conversations with people and they'll be like we're a CrossFit gym and the people will just turn it down immediately just from the word Cross, crossfit. It's like, yeah, do they? It's almost like do you even want growth to happen? And then some of the influencers too, in terms of crossfit, it's like I don't even know. Like they say that they want crossfit to grow a bunch, but then they're like like they, all they do is shit talk and all they do is like talk like down to people and stuff and I'm like where are we going, dude? Where are we going, dude? Where are we going here?
Speaker 1:It's tough, I think it's hard to make the distinction and even to make the decision to, like, what do you want to do? Do you want to focus more on the athletes or do you want to focus on the life changes that we could do? You know, like the methodology is cliche as it sounds, so it's a tough thing back and forth. So, like right now, like you talk about what does CrossFit HQ do for the affiliates? So they are starting to offer a little bit more advice as far as structure, like how to run your business.
Speaker 1:Like the backside of it, they're like always doing all these calls, they're sending out a lot of information, like smaller platforms within the brand that you can work with to help you to like genuinely build out, uh, like standard operating procedures. You know, like that that's pretty much what they're doing, so they're not going full franchise mode yet. They're still like, hey, you pay your affiliation, your fee, with staying within good standing, you can run at your gym however you want, right? So, yeah, um, as someone that's like kind of done multiple different fitness things, um, do you think that, like don fall, that's a ceo, he had a goal of getting to, I think, 30 million crossfitters by like 2027 or something like that. Do you think that that he could hit that goal with the structure currently of crossfit, like everyone could do their own thing there? I don't care what your gym looks like, where it is all that stuff.
Speaker 2:No shot, dude. There's no way. There's absolutely no way. I think that I think that you see the drop off of like CrossFit affiliates for a reason right, like people like getting rid of the name CrossFit or the trademark after you know, I think that's going.
Speaker 1:I think that's going. I think that's going back up. I think it's down. Is it going back up? I think it's. I think it's currently on the up. Okay, people that with affiliates.
Speaker 2:I, I personally like what like.
Speaker 2:So, coming from like owning a gym and to um the background, like I think the one thing that like being a CrossFit affiliate does for you is that it's like free marketing, right or not free marketing. It costs like what, five grand to be an affiliate or something, but so when you type into Google gym or CrossFit or whatever, like your gym pops up immediately and then you have the ability to get that person in a sales funnel and then make the sale close. The sale Right, if I? But do I think like 30 million CrossFitters? Like I don't even know if that's possible. In general, dude, because I'm going to be totally real with you, like the way that CrossFit is promoted and the way that people look at CrossFit the public opinion and the public eye they still don't like it, and I think it's like it's hard to conceptualize that as somebody that's deep in CrossFit, because I'll have these conversations with people that are in CrossFit where they just think that CrossFit is like a normal household thing and everyone around them talks about it, right.
Speaker 2:And it's just an echo chamber Right, because CrossFitters hang out with CrossFitters hang out with CrossFitters.
Speaker 1:You know for the most part, and I definitely fall victim to that a lot.
Speaker 2:You know like yeah, I'm in that boat you know, yeah, and I'm really lucky that my CrossFit friends are like my CrossFit friends, you know, like Roderick and all them. You know people that I don't actually hang out with all the time. I see them maybe once every couple of months when we're traveling. But then my, my, my friends, friends like barely do fitness in general. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:And so, like I get, I get the perspective from like the actual outside. I think CrossFitters think that the CrossFit world is so much bigger than it is and it's like still such a niche community that it feels like it's a group of 45 people that are just going to go work out with each other and do weird like movements, right, so like right? I don't think so, because the general consensus of, like the population at large is still intimidated by or thinks CrossFit is really dumb, you know and so like, and I think part of that has to do with the marketing Like I was talking to I forget who I was talking to at the games, but, like you know, the, the interlude, like commercials for CrossFit, was like people doing snatches.
Speaker 1:Marketing to CrossFitters right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't. I don't even know who the marketing was for Right.
Speaker 1:So be like, whether or not that's what it's supposed to be, that's who it's going to you know, right, right Cause like, like my mom has done CrossFit right, but if she just saw someone doing it, if she never had the CrossFit experience and she saw someone doing a snatch that wouldn't compute to her, to like, oh, this is what I could do to get healthy.
Speaker 2:Right and yeah. So when I talk to people too, um, you know, especially like older people, like the conversation that I had with my mom, right, um, I was paying for her to go to a CrossFit gym for a while and she was like I could never do that, I could never do CrossFit. And I'm like no mom, you can't. She's like, well, I've seen what they do. Like you know what I mean. So, like the marketing, like you can only convince somebody to do CrossFit, be it, they're willing to actually have the conversation with you about CrossFit, and so, like the marketing needs to be such that the person feels comfortable enough to go and have the conversation.
Speaker 2:But even if you have a, even if you have a 60 year old that's doing snatches, it's still the barrier to entry. Doesn't look possible for the majority of just the gen pop, because they're like I can't put a barbell over my head. They've been doing that forever. It doesn't matter if the person looks like they're actually fit or unfit, it doesn't matter, because they're just going to be like, well, that person's been doing it forever. I, you know, my excuse is that I can't do it. They don't understand that it's infinitely scalable. They don't even want. You can't even get to have that conversation with somebody because of the marketing materials that are out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have to. We have to communicate that part a lot better. You know, yeah, conversation I used to have with my old affiliate owner all the time, right, like, and she brought in this new general manager and he's he's talking about like marketing and stuff, and I've seen a lot of other affiliates do it. They market like the, the certifications of the coaches in there, right, and like we had, like the gym owner was a seminar staff member on like level four, like the highest accreditation in CrossFit, right, but they market that like on the website and all this stuff and I'm like that only matters to people that do CrossFit and like of the people that do CrossFit, it only matters to the people that keep up with that.
Speaker 1:So you're talking about a percent of a percent and you're trying to bring in people that don't do CrossFit, right, like you're trying to. You're trying to market to as many people as you can. Like you. You know you throw all your hooks and you hopefully catch one or two right Like, not like oh, I'm going to shoot at this dartboard at dead center and try to convert that person to a member. Like you're marketing to other affiliates, like that's all you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yep, right um well, yeah, they might want to snipe the person or whatever too. You know what I mean. Like oh, he's an l4.
Speaker 1:That means something to me yeah, I'm, yeah, well, I mean to talk about just from, like customers, wise, right, you're trying to build a membership so you could have a successful business and you're marketing to a percentage of a percentage with what you're putting out there. Yeah, absolutely, like 70% of our own gym didn't know what those fucking certifications meant. Like you know, like that's just, it's dumb.
Speaker 2:Me and Tanner Shuck and I actually talked about that in our podcast, where he's like, he's like, how often have you actually been asked about how many certifications you have or what certifications you have? And I was like to be honest with you I've never been asked that besides any, like no client has ever asked me that. The only people that have ever asked me that was like when I went to go get a corporate sales job in like, uh, in a gym. You know cause I did. I think I agree with you. I think that sales in the corporate setting is like a really good idea for most people.
Speaker 2:Um, so I did that and they asked me and then the only other time has been from like people who are interested in getting into personal training, strength and conditioning and they're like what certs do you have? What would you recommend? But I've become better, exactly, and um, and so Roderick and I had a conversation after that um on the phone and I was I was telling him you know cause we were talking about like the CrossFit debate or whatever. He was like just trying to like give me his perspective on some stuff and I was like one of the things that came up was a certification thing and I was like dude. Unfortunately, crossfit L1, l2, l3, l4, no one respects it, no one cares, like anybody outside of the CrossFit world has zero idea of what that means or like what education is behind it, and I guess the l3 is now accredited worldwide or something like there's actually towards it.
Speaker 1:The l3 and the four are gonna get bigger respect now because they just got a bigger accreditation in the past.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, but the problem, though, still lies that it has to get to that point right, and unfortunately, crossfit has already made such a bad reputation for itself that I don't even know if that's possible for it to happen. Like it may have been accredited and stuff, but like the will that, will society at large be in agreeance with it or will they respect it? I don't know, who knows Right, I hope so, but again, the thing is is like if you have an l1 or l2?
Speaker 2:no one even knows what that means. You know like literally nobody. I could ask a personal trainer in a bodybuilding gym around here. Just go up to them and say, hey, do you know what the crossfit l1 is? They'll be like no, you get what I'm saying. So right, yeah, that's, my leader's got to leave.
Speaker 1:Leaders got to lead from the front. You know it's pretty much what that all comes down to for crossfit. Hopefully they make better decisions in in their, their growth, you know, going forward, yeah. So, bro, we've been talking for a while here. Speaking of growth, what are you hungry for, man like what? What are your goals looking like right now?
Speaker 2:that's a good question, dude. I want to stack another million in my account because I already have 10. Let, I'm just kidding. Yeah, man, that's a good question, because lately, the past couple of months, I found myself kind of in a lull, to be honest, trying to figure that out and see, like, what are my goals, what am I doing, and really I kind of came to the conclusion that what I want to do is just be able to continue to live life on my own terms, make money to support my family and try to create something big. And so, um, yeah, dude, I'm hungry just for personal development, just for personal growth, every single day, fighting for that. I'm hungry to make this podcast into something.
Speaker 1:Um, because I feel like we all are fighting like the haters that we don't actually have in our head to you know kind of prove somebody wrong yo, I've tried to mentally get rid of that thought process too, you know, yeah, I'm really working on right now for some people, dude, it's like that's, that's the driving energy, right like so.
Speaker 2:If that serves you, carry on with it. Right like, right, um. But it's a double-edged sword, because who gives a shit about what other people think at the same time, right, um? So yeah, hungry dude, I'm just hungry to. I'm hungry to just keep growing. That's about it. Yeah, just doing hard shit every single day and trying to grow this pod, that's it. Oh, yeah, let me ask you that?
Speaker 1:what am I hungry for? Yeah so right now I'm hungry for this gym to get up and running, um, to to fully launch um. I'm planning some of the first things for it, like some of the soft launches, and uh, I'm gonna try to do some cool stuff with that and uh, make it a, you know, like dream come true kind of situation. You know, do some big things in there. Got a little event coming up this weekend. I'm not at my future gym, at the gym that I currently coach at, but that's gonna help promote it and do some stuff with it.
Speaker 1:Man, and, just like you said, like I'm hungry to keep going, like as far as the podcast, like I want to keep having like dope conversations, learn about people you know, like spreading their stories and stuff. Um, I, I have an idea for a new podcast that I think I'm gonna start soon, so I'll be reaching out about that too. You know, yeah, yeah, but yeah, bro, this, the, the, the construction should be started either next week or the week after that. Man, and uh, you know I'm hype so did you buy this space?
Speaker 2:what's the deal? Are you leasing it?
Speaker 1:I'm leasing it. Uh, me and the realtor we've been looking over the past like five months. We found something that's like 3 000 square feet. Um, it used to be a daycare, the the before that it was a dentist's office and the dude still owns it. You know, we rent some belgian places around here, so got it for a good price, you know when they just started going from there. Yeah, so I already affiliated um by this time, the time this episode comes out, like it'll probably be announced somewhere else already. So the name of the affiliate is crossfit. Hungry dog athletics, um, and then hungry dog barbells already like my weightlifting team, uh, so like it'll operate as both of those you know. Um, and then, like hungry dog athletics is like the llc name too. So those operators hungry dog athletics essentially all marketed as a crossfit gym, you know, but it'll be all good.
Speaker 2:Well, you look like you're crushing it, dude.
Speaker 1:Every time I see your um, your stuff, like on sundays, I'm like damn, that dude has a lot of people, bro, yeah so the gym that I'm at right now, like I've been having relationships with them for a long time they're a 15 year affiliate, um, and the area that I live in there's like a lot of like old affiliates. I've been able to be at some good homes and stuff, so like I've been able to avoid like the cross and fail kind of timeline and shit like that. Uh, there's mad people at their gym. It's been. It's been good to uh be there in this tenure in between, like my old whole head coaching job, like we all coach a certain kind of way and it was just a different kind of vibe than when you move to a different location. Obviously it's going to be a little bit different. So to be there kind of see what their culture has been like before I go and like for my own, it's been like a good time, you know. Hell yeah, dude.
Speaker 2:That's cool. Well, I'm happy for you, bro, congrats.
Speaker 1:But all right, dog, it's been a great conversation. Man, you got like.
Speaker 2:That's it, dude. That's it. Just keep pushing, work hard every day, do something that gets you kind of uncomfortable every single day, and yeah, man, that's all.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, all right, dogs, we'll get out of here Peace.