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Hungry Dog Barbell Podcast
Gabe & Nina : Team Aye Paisano
We trace our paths from school sports to CrossFit, then take a hard look at the Open—what it tests, what it misses, and how cheating and video standards skew results. We debate scaled divisions, movement safety, and whether “Fittest on Earth” is even the right title, before sharing coaching tips, training environment trade-offs, and goals for the season ahead.
• school and college sports feeding stronger movement foundations
• early lifting setting up skills and body control
• the Open’s bias toward accessibility and engine
• missing heavy and high-skill tests at the first stage
• video audits, cheating risk, and leaderboard integrity
• movements to cut: pistols, wall walks as tests, weighted muscle-ups
• safer strength tests at locals versus 1RMs in tight spaces
• scaled divisions versus intermediate as the baseline
• who excels: gymnastics and swimming backgrounds
• coaching versus training environment trade-offs
• upcoming comps, qualifiers, and season goals
I like to Neander. I don't really have a home. I don't own a membership to any gym. That's lit. That's the life. Except for LA Fitness, because I need their pool right now. Besides that, uh I'm mainly out of OV. And then occasionally I drop back into the OG gym that like I kind of started training at. If you know them, like Steve Braum and Vito at uh Sonic Boom in Springfield.
SPEAKER_01:Shout out. Is that how you like got into CrossFit? I thought you had been doing it for a minute, and then you show up at Super Total, and they're like, Yeah, nah, I started this shit like three months ago.
SPEAKER_03:I wouldn't say three months, but uh or were you talking about like the first super total?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the first jaw, the first jawn.
SPEAKER_03:The first one I would probably so I started there. They kind of ran like you're familiar with like Ryan Fisher? Yeah. The psycho who yelled at the judge and said he was gonna kill that guy, yeah, yeah. Um chalked up guy, and they have uh videos of people not doing pull-ups, yeah. That guy. Um, so they kind of took his workouts because they focus on like just move better. It's more like bike lifting, um, aerobic stuff, rather than like, hey, let's get upside down and let's do every day, yeah. Gymnastics. So they kind of like took that idea, morphed it into something at Sonic Boom, and I was like, this is sick. Um, let's try and see where this goes, and then next thing you know, I'm doing CrossFit within like the year. So do an elite fight is fight for the fittest, you know, elite game out here. Elite's cancelled.
SPEAKER_01:No, that's I was gonna, I'm still gonna roll with that for at least the next two years, you know. Elite game. That's what you're in, is my phone.
SPEAKER_00:We can do it next year. That's hell yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, elite team, sign up so Gabe has to do that shit. Nina, what about you? Like, where do you train at and how'd you like get into CrossFit?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I am pretty much always at Hard Bat Athletics in Newark, Delaware. But I I started CrossFit at the University of Delaware CrossFit Gym. So I went to college, like my first year was 2019, and I I wasn't gonna play a sport in college, so I really needed something that was like keeping me competitive. And I had always been interested in CrossFit. I was like, oh, this always looks cool as shit. Like um, you know, I just had an interest in it. And then suddenly I walked into the gym one day and they were like, oh, there's UD CrossFit. So it's like way back in the um like the public university gym, but you need a membership for it. But it's this really beautiful gym, and it's like very uh it's just like a hidden gem back there. But my freshman year of college, COVID happened. So I only got to go there for like a few months before they shut down. Yeah. And then we were like back for spring semester, and two weeks later, they the university of everyone was like, go home. So I had already like known that I was gonna stay in Newark even when COVID hit. So like August 2020, I started going to hardbat and I just never really looked back. So I like went there for a couple years and then I started coaching, and now it's like my full-time thing.
SPEAKER_01:Damn, you were a freshman during COVID. Yeah, we old, Gabe. We were fresh. Like as we were talking, I was like, wait, it sounds like she might be young. Like, damn, we old out here, Gabe. But that's what's up though. What like on that note, like what sports did you play in high school? Like, what kind of sports did you play growing up?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I pretty much did soccer, basketball, softball my entire life. Um, once I got into high school, I stopped playing soccer. So it was just like focusing on basketball and softball. And I lifted in the fall and summer, like during like my off seasons. Um, and that's really got what got me like into just like fitness in general, too, because I I loved playing sports and I still do. Like I try to play sport as much as I can. But yeah, on my off seasons, it was this like really like old school, like small group fitness. Like it wasn't CrossFit, but it was like um it was just a really good foundation for my fitness. Like I learned how to clean, how to deadlift, um, nothing crazy, like no, no gymnastics or anything like that. But that was like really like sophomore year of high school. That was really when I started to be like, oh, okay, lifting is like I'm interested in it. I just couldn't do it all the time because I was when I was in season, we just like didn't have enough time to.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you didn't focus on that. Okay, what about you? Like, uh no, you played baseball. Um, how long did you play that? Like, how serious were you taking it? Like, tell us about that.
SPEAKER_03:Well, uh, if you know anything about me, I don't really take anything serious. So um I played soccer, basketball, and baseball growing up. So don't tell us that you can't run, bro. He's a defender. I didn't I wasn't out there playing midfield. Um, I was just there to beat up on the their best guy.
SPEAKER_01:Um 25 yards for you. That's as far as you went.
SPEAKER_03:That's it. Sprinter. I'm a sprinter coach. Uh, but yeah, so I did went to high school, ended up playing two sports, played soccer. Well, I played basketball and baseball, my first and second year, soccer and baseball, my junior senior year. Ended up at Penn State Brandywine for baseball, had a nice little like career there at like a small school. I think they're like listed as like almost like a JUCO. I think it's like USCAA. Came out, and uh, after like some years, that's how like I needed something competitive, so I ended up backing CrossFit. Were you training before that? Like, were you lifting weights? Baseball players lift weights? I never lifted before. Um, I wish like what today is compared to like even when I was in high school, which was what 14 years ago, 15 years ago. Um the amount of knowledge and training is just so much better. And if it's kind of like, oh, if I knew what I knew now, like where would I have been, where'd my teammates be? Like a whole new world. Yeah. You see kids like so I coach high school baseball, and you see kids every game like pumping like 88 to 93, and they're like juniors, sophomores, and like who the f who were these kids? I'm trying to, you know, let it loose, let it run.
SPEAKER_00:Like it's like the when you when we were even when I was in high school, which was not that I was in high school like 20 years.
SPEAKER_01:It sounds like you were you benefited from that, right? Like a couple like five years go by, a new generation, and people like are in the weight room more.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Like, I mean, I definitely had that influence of like at least like in the off season, you should be lifting. And it wasn't quite through my high school, but like the years once I was in college, the weight room in my high school that I went to was even starting to be revamped. And I think people were just like starting to see the benefit of like actually getting these kids lifting. Because you were you would see some of these, like at least in Jersey, like some of these private schools had these really, really good weightlifting programs for their kids. And these, of course, would be the teams that you would dread playing because they were absolute tanks. And like it was just like one of those things that like in my public high school, at least at the time, it wasn't like super sought after. But once again, like I kind of like interned there like a couple summers once I was in college, and it was already starting to like kids were starting to realize oh, like we gotta do this, like we gotta even in season, like two next two days a week, something like that. So I feel like to your point, Gabe, like that's it's nice that it's finally starting to come around, but if only we knew.
SPEAKER_01:Literally. I mean, we were we had a my sophomore year in high school, um, the dude that opened generation, so that run SummerSlam, like he was he came into our program and like did it for free for a year. We did CrossFit, we didn't lift a lot of weights. The gym was only fucking, I don't even know, like probably 700 square feet big. So with a 40, 50 person football team, you can't like really be cleaning and benching and squatting super heavy. Like you're working in like groups of five and you're moving whatever you can. But like I have memories of doing Fran, I have memories of doing like like a 100-yard sprint, like DT with dumbbells and stuff like that, like adding running into it. But no lie, the first year everyone got super in shape, but then we go play teams that have like huge programs or huge gyms, and they're running over us. But then next year we course corrected, and like our fitness was able to beat people instead of just like them running over us with the strength, you know. Right. Yeah, so then as you guys get across it, I don't we're not gonna do the whole freaking tell me about your your beginning. One thing I do want to talk about though is how you guys feel about the CrossFit open, right? Like you guys go from being high school and college athletes, right, to now you're on this new competitive field, and the beginning way of your your introduction to it is like the open is really the only thing. Like you have Guadapalooza, you have a couple other qualifiers for comps, you have local comps, but really the big game that everyone plays is the CrossFit Open um game. How do you feel about it being online? And were you ever in it when it was five weeks before?
SPEAKER_03:So I've only done the open for three years. Uh so when it was three weeks, and the thing I me personally, I don't think I don't think it's a great overall test for a couple reasons. One, it's very biased to accessibility, which I get. You know, you're trying to draw people in, you're trying to make money. You it is a business at the end of the day, right? So you know, uh as far as like comparing scores with your buddies, I feel like it's like an incomplete test. Your cardio people are always going to dominate the open. Um, which is and then I would look back at like past opens, like the ones that you're talking about, like five years ago, where it's like more advanced skills, heavier lifting, not just like a 1 RM, but it's just heavy lifts. And like overall, that would be a better test. But now that's like quarterfinals, which they're bringing back again, which uh back and forth, you know, it's just dumb. Um, but like I do think it's like something cool that gets you motivated to do something a little extra. It's like kind of training for uh a local comp or a bigger comp that it's like, oh, I could go and train and bust my butt for like six weeks, yeah, see how well I do relative to like the past years. But it's like at the same time, it's not really a good way to test if you're getting better each year, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, the fittest people are gonna make it through and make it to the the games, and then we'll pick it from there. But it's really not the best test. Like, well, I think what you said is right on the money, like to compare yourself against other people at the gym, right? Because a lot of it's like wheelhouse stuff. The first workout, walking lunges with no weight, burpees over the dumbbell, and then single arm dumbbell high cleaner jerks, you know.
SPEAKER_03:People that all in my head, you know. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Like it was I liked it as a workout, class workout. That's great, you know. Get people moving for an hour, get them warmed up, put them through that, and then um get them a little cooldown. But like as a test workout, I don't know, I'm not really sure. Nita, what about you? How do you feel about it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, pretty similarly to Gabe, especially like we're both a little biased because we're definitely more like power and strength athletes compared to like the cardio bunnies, like that are our friends. Um, I also don't think I ever got to do uh like a five-week open because I my first open was like I think like 2020, but I was like doing it scaled. So I guess like 2021 was still was like the first time that I was able to do it. And at that point, I was just like, hell yeah, like this gives me like something to train for. Um as the years went on, like especially these last two years specifically, I agree. I kind of felt like, well, damn, okay, I spent the last year preparing myself and getting strong as shit, refining my high skill gymnastics, and then getting to the workouts and feeling like you couldn't really like show them off in hopes that you can show it off later on in like the next round. It it was always like a little bit anticlimactic, I guess, in my opinion. Um especially like last year specifically, with it with there being no quarterfinals, it was like this was so freaking high. And I ended up like ranking in the percentile range the same as the year before, even though I knew I was a one percent better athlete. Yeah. So like I had the opportunity to compete at Syndicate because I was given the opportunity, not that I made it in, like I wasn't one of the people that uh made it with a team. We were able to fill in because they needed an extra team. So it was still cool to be able to like finally finish out my season that way in the way that I had actually like anticipated it happening, and I was able to like actually do like the heavy snatches with like heavy Isabel and the the handstand walks and the ring and the bar muscle ups and stuff like that. So that was fulfilling, but that was literally like complete luck and happenstance that I was given that. Like, not many people were given that opportunity. So um I do wish that there was like oftentimes like a a strength event, obviously. Like we like we enjoy, um, but it it's so hard because like of the inclusivity of it all, like you want to make sure that everybody can do it, which I understand. Like you said, Gabe, it is it is a business after all.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Gabe's over there shaking his head, but you're the guy always saying, like, get rid of strength events and comps or straight one RMs. You are I feel like you can say that pet peeves. I feel I feel like specifically you say get rid of like straight one RMs.
SPEAKER_03:I think you can. Um, I go back and forth, you know, because it's like that environment is the only environment where you know you can probably hit a monster PR. You know, like there's nothing like a comp adrenaline rush, in my opinion, um, for lifting specifically. Like you'll even at like weightlifting meets, you go around, you can hear like pin drops, like nobody's doing anything. You go to a cross, like at MacFest, the competition last year in December, that was like the wildest time to lift. Everybody's bananas, it was a great time. Nina hits like what was it, 215 clean and jerk at the buzzer.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, literally on the buzzer.
SPEAKER_03:Basically, it was just like that doesn't happen if the crowd's not there, it's not like a competition and team environment. So um I go back and forth, you know. As far as CrossFit goes, I think having higher percentage weight mixed with other stuff is a better CrossFit test than just pure power strength one of them.
SPEAKER_01:So speaking of that, what's something that you want to see gone from both local comps and like for the CrossFit game season? Tell us, Gabe.
SPEAKER_03:Me?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, local comps first.
SPEAKER_03:Um most of the local comps I feel like are programmed pretty well. Well, not programmed well, but like movement-wise, they're pretty much the same. I don't think like should be in any at a comment.
SPEAKER_00:I'm with you.
SPEAKER_03:I think they're it's like that's my opinion. I think they're just stupid.
SPEAKER_01:Why do you why do you think they should be gone? Like, is it standard or like is it you just don't like them?
SPEAKER_03:The standard, I don't like them. I think doing them for speed is just ridiculous. Um they're a great movement if you're doing like five reps for quality, right? Yeah, but when you're saying do 20 in three rounds mixed with X other stuff, like you're just asking for like knee injuries. That's my opinion.
SPEAKER_01:What about from like the game season? What do you not want to see at the game semis or quarters anymore? What do I not want to see? Uh I know what I don't want to see. I don't want to see fucking uh weight vest muscle ups anymore. I think that is the dumbest shit ever. Realistically.
SPEAKER_03:Personally, like from the games, guys, I don't want to see wall walks. We all know you could do that. I think yeah, like I get that's kind of like an accessible movement for everybody, but it's just like it's just an inverted burpee. That's how I look at it.
SPEAKER_00:What about a wall walk complex? Are you cool with that?
SPEAKER_03:I mean, sure, because you're adding like strict handstand push-ups into it. I just don't think like just doing like 20 wall walks as a buy-in is like just have them do 20 burpees. It's like the same thing, and the people who are usually good at them are good at the other thing. They like kind of go hand in hand. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Right, Nina, what about you? What do you what do you want to see called from local pubs?
SPEAKER_00:Uh like my most fearful moments have been like watching a a local comp do like a one-ret max snatch. Like, I I just it's just like even scaled, even intermediate level in a tight quarters situation, it's just like messy as hell. I I mean like I get it, it's like really cool to be able to max your snatch out, but like if you don't have that foundational movement, it's just it ends up being like a hard yeah, like it's just you know, you're and it's like, is it really worth the glory? I don't know. I feel like local comp should either do like cleans for scaled and intermediate divisions, or just like more of a complex instead of a one red max. That's just me.
SPEAKER_01:Um what do you not want to see the games people do anymore?
SPEAKER_00:Hmm. Uh I'd really never want to see like a marathon row again.
SPEAKER_02:Like years ago.
SPEAKER_00:Um I don't know. I I'm like not super picky with that because like at that level, those guys can literally do anything you throw at them. As long as it's evenly distributed amongst the skills. Like I feel like, what was it, like two or three years ago, it felt like very like fitness-y. And I feel like this past year, um, it was, and I know it's like, you know, they're looking for the fittest on earth. I understand, but um la this past year I feel like was programmed really well, just like a really good spread of everything, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's that's pretty much all I can really ask for. But I would agree with Gabe, like I'd rather not do pistols again. And also, like I I have nothing against rope climbs, but that's like one of those movements that like I would be okay with never doing again. Like me personally. Like, I just they're fun, they're fine. It's just like they're just like one of those things that I see in a workout, I'm like, oh god, like I just don't want to do that.
SPEAKER_03:They're fine until they're not fine.
SPEAKER_00:And then I mean I've been with Allen, don't get me wrong, but like they're just I don't know, they're just annoying.
SPEAKER_01:Oh man, uh you know what I'll say, I will get rid of a workout. No more freaking thrusters and road climbs in the final workout of the games anymore. They've done that shit like five years in a row. Just think of something else, you know, right, right. Get rid of that shit, do do something different.
SPEAKER_03:So going back to what you're saying, like back to local comps. You know what I wish local comms got rid of in the scale division? Oh god. Knees to like hips on the toes of the bar. Well would you put it then? What would you make it then? I I don't know if you do one foot and you're just like out there high kicking, like rocking or like um that move just like I don't get it.
SPEAKER_01:Um so Nino, Gabe and I talked about this a little bit before too. I think that they should just get rid of, and like I myself, everyone, should get rid of scaled comps, like scaled well, not scaled comps, scaled divisions and comps. Like, what do you think about that?
SPEAKER_00:I I'm so glad you said that because I thought I was feeling a little insensitive that I felt that way. Like, I think doing competitions at a scale level, like I can't talk shit on them because that's how I got into it. I did one comp scaled and I won it, and then I was like, I'm never doing scale again. Like, and that was my first year doing CrossFit. I wonder a lot why there are scale divisions at a competition like like Fittest of the Coast or or even Fight for the Fittest or Battle by the Bay, because I I think that's like awesome that you want to compete at that level, but uh it almost gets like too fishy, it's too hard to get right, especially at that level. Yeah, I mean, because like okay, if you're scaled at like battle by the bay, but you're scaled at like a local competition, like that's like a vastly different experience. Right. Also, like I don't know if I if I was doing I don't know that I would want to do like Battle by the Bay or Fight for the Fittest skilled, because I would be like, I'm not doing this until I know I'm at a level where I can like compete with everyone here. But that's just me. Like I know like not everyone has the the time or the anatomy or whatever to like get to an RX level, but it is really hard to like gauge okay, you could be a scaled athlete here or an intermediate athlete here, you know, like what's the standard?
SPEAKER_01:I think it's super hard too because like everyone has a different definition of what scaled in Rx is. Um I look at the open and I think that some people would call like the open stuff RX Plus, but it's like, no, that's just the way that fitness has evolved and we're just not at the same level that we were in 2017. So like the things they would ask of you in that year are not how they would program workouts anymore, you know, because the general population has gotten fitter and they've seen the skill the skills go up, the weights go up, and everything. So, like, while I mean back in 2017 or 18, they had a workout that was like ascending rep scheme, um, snatches and descended rep scheme chest of bar. And I almost guarantee that if they did that this year, that like the weights on the snatch would go up, you know, like because they they would feel like too many people would just finish this and blow it out of the water, you know. Um like even in 21 when they did that workout from this year with the bar muscle ups, like I remember so many people at the at the gym just trying to get to the bar muscle ups, and like now people are finishing it and smoking it, you know, so people are getting fitter and fitter. Um, the reason that I say that I think that we should stop it is uh, and I'm more specifically talking about like scale divisions at a comp where you have like RX or like an uh um RX plus or like elite is what they would call it too. Um because like at that point, you should spend more of your time focusing on just improving overall cardiovascular fitness, developing skills, and then like if you got to go be last at an RX comp, then that's when you're ready to compete. You know, I think that compete word is what changes things, you know. Like when you don't have the skills, like you're just throwing it all to the side just to be able to say that you're competing. And I think it's a hard thing to broach because you don't want to take away people's ability to celebrate their fitness, right? But like, hey, are we are we are we ready for this? You know, are we risking injury when we don't need to, you know? Um be it tough, tough subject.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I agree because like of course, like the nature of the sport is like the bar is getting raised every single year. And like I think like cross this whole thing is like the inclusivity and the community of it, but like you're saying, Taylor, like are we risking injury just to like get someone to compete? Like, I don't want to be like that person that's like it's like a participation trophy, but it it should rather be like if you really want to be want to compete, like if you're a currently a scaled athlete and you're like, well, it's gonna take me years to get to that RX or intermediate level, if that's like something that they would include too. It's like that should kind of be the fire under your ass to be like, well, I I want to get fitter, I would need to get stronger, I need to get safer in ranges of motion, which I think is a thing for scaled athletes.
SPEAKER_01:It's like sometimes you're watching and you're like, oh, like and you're they're letting it go because it's a scale division, and it's like, well, we shouldn't do that, you know, we should hold everyone in the standard. Um, I posted a poll that was something along the the the like these lines of what we're talking about a few weeks ago, and someone told me that a mid-tier comp, so like not a local one, something that was like at a venue and it was multiple days, there was a scale division that was supposed to be pull-ups, and the people complained and they changed the movement, you know, and it's like that's where I think that we should draw the line. If you sign up for a competition and you're like you're not ready for what comes, then I think that we we should draw the line, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well then it's like I go back and forth on this. I think like the idea of like I'm sure you're familiar with like festivists, where it's like people who are brand new to it, it's their first time competing. I think that's kind of like the greatest thing you could do is just have a scaled-only comp with people one or two, they're very new to it. But like Nina said, the bottom tier of a competition should be intermediate. There shouldn't be knees to hips or and like pull-up standards shouldn't be a question. Like, you just do what you're supposed to do, and I think that would be a better overall experience for everybody. Not to mention when you're putting payouts for scale divisions, and then people like, oh, I'm just gonna go to Cameron and win that, just like people in Elite drop down into RX and just to win some prize money, which like I get, like I understand, you know, gotta get paid, but gotta get paid, right? Um, so yeah, I mean, I kind of I do agree that like for the betterment of everybody's experience, it'd be better off completely separate or not even involved.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and it's it sucks because like competing is so fucking fun, like it's electric. Like, of course, like you want everyone to experience that in their life. Yeah, you don't want to take that away from people, of course, but it's like how do you do it in a way that is like safer? And like you said, like for the experience for everyone, like I mean watching watching skilled, doing skilled, like it it's also adding more heat to a competition, and then it's making it longer for everyone. And I'm not saying it it has to go, like I I understand that it's not as safe, but there needs to be, I guess, like some higher degree of like holding people accountable to that so that's not just a like a horror show, you know? Like have be safe, have fun, but let's also not lower the standards just so everyone can have that like participation trophy feeling, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. So so we were talking about the open, right? Like I wanted to ask a bit more about the games and shit. What do you think is like the percentage of people that are cheating the videos? Okay, what do you think?
SPEAKER_03:Like it's it's so weird because you don't even have to like put you don't even have to submit a video. You can just like, hey, I know you own a gym. Can I just say I did the open under you? And just like so I mean, I feel like there's a decent amount of like some sort of cheating going on, but it's like at the end of the day, like I'm not going to the games, I'm not even going to semifinals, I'm not doing any of that. I'm just kind of worried about myself and doing stuff. Don't cut yourself short. Come on, you elite game out here. Yeah, come on. Not elite. I have one elite attribute. That's what is it? I can deadlift. That's about it. I can deadlift. I can deadlift really well. Um, but yeah, I mean, I've seen videos of like a guy doing double unders and he has no rope in his hand. He's just like, I'm like, what are you doing? I've seen like honest to God, I could, if I wanted to, take a video of myself, splice it, and just make it look like a revolving show, and they wouldn't even know. Like, there's a dude that did that back in 2016. It was a guy who did it um for Dubai qualifiers. I'm like, Oh shit, it's not he got caught, but it's like for the open, nobody cares. Like, right.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I mean, that then it's like I don't understand that because then you're gonna have a whole Kale Lehman situation where you get to the comp you're trying to do and you get your ass beat like badly, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Like, what's that you went? Why would you go like yeah, just like now I'm good, I'm just gonna do it online.
SPEAKER_01:And yeah, I've I mean, we've we all know people that like have been the fittest person in every gym that we've walked into. Been the fittest person in all the local comps and all the mid-tier comps that they go to semifinals and then they might come in last place in every single workout. So while I think Kale Laban cheated, that is a possibility that can happen to you. You can do the open. I mean, he came in like third or some shit like that for one of the workouts, but like so he definitely cheated. Yeah. So like there is a he definitely cheated. I don't want to act like that. But like people out there, if you are on the bubble, you can be the fittest person that you and all your friends know and still go to semifinals and lose every single workout. Because one, these people are like a lot of them have do this full time and they get paid to do it. So their whole life is based around it. And you probably have a job, like you're a kindergarten teacher or some shit like that, you know. But then also competition is much different in person, you know. So, like, and people that have experience, like they are able to push harder than you there. So that that's definitely the separator. But fucking, I don't know, because like if I if I if if that's been my goal for four years and I finally qualify, but like I'm still not I just snuck in, what am I gonna do? Not go because I think I'm gonna come last in all the workouts.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, no, you go, no, you go, it's both sides of it, right?
SPEAKER_01:You know, right, you gotta go get that, you gotta go get that experience.
SPEAKER_03:But like there's a difference between that guy who earned it, yeah, versus Caleb Layman who submitted scores from his garage from a gym, you know, like it's just different. It's different.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I he didn't even have his life straight, he didn't even like get like he didn't even get the gym owner to like be on his side, like homeboy immediately turned on him, like throw him under the bus. It's like, oh come on.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and that's kind of going back to like the whole fairness thing that you were talking about with the open anyway. Like, is it a good assessment? Because, like, inherently you can get by, it can't be a good assessment because it's not a hundred percent, like no one's there watching them confirmed. And as a like, I'm I work at a gym that isn't CrossFit affiliated, so I have to submit a video. I'm like, I'm gonna submit a video and make sure it looks good because I'm not trying to end up on Andrew Hiller's Instagram, but not everyone can held to that same standard. And I think, like, sure, okay, maybe someone could beat me by like three reps because they you know finagled their score, but like that could be hundreds of places on a leaderboard. So yeah, it's it's hard to say that like the like an online, um like as big as the open is, the it you can't really say it's a fair test or a fair assessment if not every single person submits a video, which no one's gonna watch that 200,000 people, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Right, no one's watching all the shits. I mean, they even said this year that they're that people don't watch all the videos. Like, I think the biggest bullshit is that like the fucking 60 through like 110 people don't get their videos watched, so like the the back row spots are pretty much bullshit, you know. Yeah, if you get knocked out and someone gets in, like those spots were bullshit because they didn't watch those videos, you know. Um, on the fittest on earth thing, right? Do you think that the CrossFit games like properly crowns the fittest person on earth, or is there other athletes out there that are not doing CrossFit that are fitter? What do you think, Nina?
SPEAKER_00:I I think of this when it comes to like literally any sport. I think that there are so many genetic freaks that are just like walking on the street that have no clue that they could be literally an Olympian. Like their environment just never fostered that, and like they're they will never know.
SPEAKER_01:And you're like, Gabe, you could go to the Olympics for something, bro. You just don't know it yet.
SPEAKER_00:He's been working hard, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You don't know it yet.
SPEAKER_00:Um, so it's always so hard to say because I think of someone like, okay, obviously Tia Claire Toomey is an amazing athlete, and she's like, you know, it's non-negotiable that she's the goat, but she also is a genetic freak. Like, someone could have done the same exact thing from birth as she.
SPEAKER_01:And not got the results.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. So it's like, it's yes, I think it's a good enough um test of who's the fittest on earth based on the randomness of genetics, and also low-key, the randomness of the season. Like there really could have been, you know, five workouts in the open, five workouts in semis, and five workouts in the games that just like did not align with you, and that could really that could make or break you. So that's kind of like the unfortunate nature, I think, of this sport is like there is a lot of random randomness to it, but you know, you can do your best to cover the bases as best as possible.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Okay, what about you? Does it crown the fittest on earth?
SPEAKER_03:I um hate this question um for like one major reason. I think like the title of fittest on earth just needs to go away. It should just be the the CrossFit champion, whatever. Like, because at the end of the day, like who's to say that like this is the best test of fitness? Whereas, like, yeah, you're rowing, you're lifting, you're doing all this other stuff, but like, why does something weigh more than another? And like, in certain workouts, certain things make you do exponentially better. Like, the kipping handstand push-up once from a deficit had a bike involved, and some was it that the yoke was involved too?
SPEAKER_01:What at the camps this year? Yeah, yeah, they carry they and the yoke was basically meaningless.
SPEAKER_03:But no, yeah, the bike didn't matter. Yeah, yoke didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was like ripping those kipping handstand push-ups as fast as you can. Right. I mean, obviously, if you're like neck and neck with somebody on the bike, it matters, but it's like I just don't think there's no way to ever tell what's the fittest, you know, uh person on earth through any type of test. Because like any given stimulus, whatever you're biased to is going to show who's the fittest, you know. So I mean, just say the CrossFit world champion and leave it at that.
SPEAKER_00:Um I mean, there has to be like an actual like year after year metric of like because if it changes every year, then like are you really testing?
SPEAKER_01:That's the other thing, is there's no consistency, right? But like there's consistency in that whenever Tia does it, she wins. There's that aspect of it. So maybe we found the fittest woman on earth.
SPEAKER_03:She's the greatest CrossFitter on Earth.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Do you think quit should there be like adding a sport element to it? Like, you need to go throw a ball, you need to go score a basket, you need to go do these things with that improvement test. I that's why I'm posing the question, you know, like you know, we're starting to incorporate the shooting thing, right? I don't know what that's don't get me started on that erg erg shot.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Erg shot.
SPEAKER_01:They saw rogue, they saw Rogue break out the rifles a few years ago. They're like, you know what? That's an alright idea, right there.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I like I get what they're doing. They're trying to like incorporate the whole like accuracy thing and whatever. Um, I think like a lot of crossfitters would, especially like the young ones who have been doing CrossFit since they've been 10 years old and have never done a sport in their life, they would get eaten alive by having to do something with like a ball or like accurate, like a pitting, especially like baseball or softball, if you've never done that in your life. You will get eaten. So it's like it's hard because then it would be like, okay, now you're gonna have to start incorporating that in your training, and that does that then become CrossFit? So it's like I feel like that can't be included, but it would probably be like a fun novel thing to do at a competition.
SPEAKER_03:Like I think like the the the biggest gripe is like there's no like nobody in CrossFit has to make a cut, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, and that's like a different type of athleticism and fitness.
SPEAKER_01:Like so well, the training camps they might do cuts. Who knows? Who knows what they're doing with the like the hundreds of training camps out there that change coaches every day, you know. Shade.
SPEAKER_03:Throw the shade.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's not shade. I mean, I've I've you know, I fuck with whatever training camps are out there, it's just they might like they change every day because the sport's still evolving, you know.
SPEAKER_03:But it's like you know, there's I just don't think just leave it at CrossFit. Like CrossFit is wants to be its own sport. Don't say you're the fittest in the world, say you're the fittest CrossFitter.
SPEAKER_01:So you don't agree with Hiller when he says uh that Tyson Badgett is the fittest quarterback in the league or the fittest player in the NFL? No, absolutely not. You see, Jalen Hurts, guys. I was gonna say, if you went to Jalen Hurts, dog Dak Prescott. Like, I'll get I'll give Dak it, you know? Like, right, like we don't even have to go all the way up to Jalen Squad 600 freaking sprinting, like these other dudes are super fit and they just throw the ball too more, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it's like what do you like? It's like what do you view as fitness? You know what I mean? And that's different for everybody. Some people view being fit as being like super strong, some people view it as looking like a bodybuilder, you know, like it's just so.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I think we're talking about it in like a programming standpoint. When you think of just the word fitness, you're like, okay, I think of like cardio, like movement efficiency, and just like engine when you think of fitness, but then it's weird to like in CrossFit world, it's like if fitness, but then all these other things fall under that, including strength. But I don't I wouldn't really call being strong being fit, like there, those are two different things in my opinion.
SPEAKER_03:Listen, you know, we count that.
SPEAKER_00:It's part of we have to, we have to.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, maximum, I mean uh maximum strength, like all out strength and power, both of those two different categories are part of the 10 general physical skills that we use to define fitness and crossfit.
SPEAKER_03:So, like the bulk of crossfit is really defined on how skilled you are in the gymnastics, like how good of a crossfitter you are comes with how good you are at these gymnastics skills.
SPEAKER_01:I think people get farther if they have a gymnastics base, yeah. I think that's the the the biggest cheat code, if you will, to becoming a higher level crossfitter. If you could come in and you could master like your body positioning, that transfers over to like everything else. It transfers over to being a better runner, a better erger in all the different manners, it transfers over to being better on the barbell. And if you have the requisite strength to pull yourself up in a ring, uh a ring muscle up, bar muscle up, or do like a strict press, then you are gonna excel faster because you have strength and like the neurological pathways to um learn higher level skills, you know. So yeah, I I agree. But I think that the the athletes that usually get um the farthest are like the the swimmers, uh, just because they have that like higher level lung capacity. And then there's like a skill involved with swimming that turns over similar to to gymnastics. I think those two go hand in hand. They're like, plus, I'm sorry out there, swimmers, those are the weirdos. So you know, they're used to doing a weird sport versus like baseball, basketball, soccer, and football. Like they're we're used to playing sports a certain kind of way and training a certain kind of way, and it's like dissimilar to to CrossFit versus like swimming is like a weirder thing, gymnastics is a weirder thing that it's it's similar to the training and then the competition style of of CrossFit, you know.
SPEAKER_00:I totally agree with that, and I think it also takes like that's like a specific type of sport. Like I feel like Gabe, like you, you and I have both played on like team sports where like yes, you're like doing something individually, but like you and your whole team are like moving towards something right, yeah, together. Like with those individual type sports where like you have your event that you're doing, and like yes, it contributes to like your team's score. That's like a completely different feel, and I agree. I think that is way more like CrossFit than like those team sports were. But I will never regret playing a team sport, and I I wish everyone on the planet has done that at some point. It's just like you can you can tell the people who who never have that just a certain vibe to it.
SPEAKER_01:I I feel like people that play team sports handle loss better, you know. Oh, yeah, like pushing for something, but then coming up short of it. I I think the people that play team sports handle loss better. What do you think? For is with this question, you know, talking about like maximizing your potential to compete. What do you think is more useful and important? Um, a good coach that knows all their shit, or like training environment and training partners?
SPEAKER_00:I I have like a unique perspective on this because I I've had the same coach my entire competitive um like time period, and I you could say career, yo, you're a full-time athlete.
SPEAKER_01:Let's go.
SPEAKER_00:My bad, my bad. I honestly couldn't think of the word. Um, my competitive career, Derek, my coach.
SPEAKER_01:Um and I also Is this last name really Batman? I just saw your post and I was like, yo, yeah, swear to God. You fucking won the lottery with that. Yeah, um Bateman, you is it?
SPEAKER_00:I did I read it wrong, yeah. It's Batman.
SPEAKER_01:It's Batman, right?
SPEAKER_00:Is it really Batman?
SPEAKER_03:Yo, take that, Dave. Stop it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, that's that's what it is. Anyway, though, yeah, so I've had the same coach my whole time, my whole career, as well as like it's he's writing it for me, so I'm pretty much training alone, I would say like 90% of the time. To me, that has proven to be more beneficial than a training environment because every single time I've hopped on a competition floor, I've tapped into like a new gear that I never thought I had because 90% of my year is spent just training instead of competing. So like I sometimes envy my friends who get to either like do the same workouts every day or do them like right next to each other, even. And I I envy that like competitive nature that happens on a weekly basis. But I think this works better for me right now because Derek is writing it specifically for me. One, so I'm attacking my weaknesses fucking constantly, which is dreadful, but it's so good for me, you know? Like I need to be doing that. Um, and then secondly, the main thing is like when I get onto that competition floor, I'm able to feel a way that I had not felt the entire year. And it's both rewarding and like surprising. And it's it's a great test. And it's like a um, it feels good to actually get to see where I'm at, like only a few times a year. Like I think it would actually bring me more stress if I was like constantly like assessing, assessing, assessing. Like, I I love being in the thick of training. Like, I think that's that's more valuable than competing more frequently with people around you, but maybe that's because I can tap into it. Like, maybe some people might need that environment all the time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, okay. What about you? I feel like I know where you're going with it.
SPEAKER_03:Um, you'd be surprised. So I also use uh one-on-one coach at a training think tank, James. Um, so I've been with him basically since I started CrossFit. I guess it's like a almost three years, something like that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, shout out to James, man. Gabe's been singing your praises for a while now, man. So I don't know if he tells you that you're that you're good, but he tells me all the time.
SPEAKER_03:Um so with I came in with some strength, and I didn't really have a clue what to do gymnastically. Um so like to see the progress I have from day one to now, I wouldn't be able to do that in a group compete type of uh environment. Like I needed that individualized programming to be where I am today. The flip side of it is I see like my buddies that evolve, like Jack Walker, Ryan Keeter, Matt Messenger, Maddie, who all do proven. Now, granted, they're all very skilled coming into it, um, all pretty big engines, all decently strong, and they are constantly competing with each other on like the workouts. So it's like I think the best program one is like what are your goals? What are you trying to do? And then two is what's gonna get you to push. Like for me, like I hate seeing like other people do things I can't do. It drives me up. So, with that, like me stepping aside, working on the problems that I have as far as like a CrossFitter makes me a lot better than like me going into like a compete program and competing with my friends every day, you know. And I don't think there's like a right or wrong answer to that. It's just kind of like what are you gonna get the most out of? Like, what's gonna give you uh the most intensity or the most like success for what your goals are trying to be?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think that works for both of us so well because we have like similar strengths. Like you said, like all of our friends, I feel like have that like crazy engine that we do not have. So, like, I think they will get pretty good doing that. But like, if you and I just did that, we would get results, but like you said, just like not in the same way that we had yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I hear that, you know, uh Nina freaking that one of the first times I met Gabe was at Brawl on the Burbs at um KOP, and you were doing scale, which if in hindsight, if I had known who you were, I would have been like, bro, you're not allowed to do this. I don't even care how long you say that you've been doing crossfit. And what you got your team made the the finals, the championships, and I I made you guys do deficit handstand push-ups. Is that what it is? This dude time out.
SPEAKER_03:This dude put strike handstand push-ups, let's scale comp. Yes, get rid of scale.
SPEAKER_02:He really he wants to get rid of yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So so so the thing is uh RX had to do deficit. That's great for them.
SPEAKER_03:So the natural thing is to make scale do man do one of the movements that you get rid of and make us break our necks with kipping handstand push-ups.
SPEAKER_01:Uh yeah, that is one of the that's definitely kipping handstand push-ups should be gone, and that's why I did that. Like, okay, if we're gonna have them do deficit, if we're gonna have them do kipping, it's gotta be deficit, right? So it slows them down a little bit and then freaking scale strict, you know.
SPEAKER_03:This is this all goes back to what we said earlier. Yeah, intermediate should be the baseline, right?
SPEAKER_01:So that that so people will know, like, hey, we're gonna test you with a little bit of a higher skill here, you know. That's funny.
SPEAKER_00:So could you able to do that back on?
SPEAKER_03:I did three in like seven minutes or whatever it was.
SPEAKER_00:Max effort strict press, basically.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and the rest of my team looked at me like, get back on the wall, because we don't have a shot. Like, right.
SPEAKER_01:The rest of the yeah, I remember because Dev was your teammate, right? Yeah, and she's like, Hey, we're bringing the camera guy as our fourth, and I had like no idea really who this dude was. They named their team, there was Gabe Babes. Gabe's Babes. Let's go, let's go. OG days, man. You gotta get get get that back together. Who was the guy? Who was the other guy?
SPEAKER_03:His name was Bill. He's he was out of West Side Barbell, uh strong as hell.
SPEAKER_00:I was about to say, dude, must be stronger shit.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like how the hell did he end up with you guys? So he was working out at CrossFit Delco. So that was my second comp ever, I think. Um, and I wasn't even doing like CrossFit at the time. Someone was like, hey, like, come out. And the first one was like Green Beret, where I met Bill. He was like, Hey, can you fill in? There was like 20 or 30 front squats at like 115.
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SPEAKER_03:And he just like banged out all of them, like very casually. Like, I love that. And then there was like a 35 or 40 pound dumbbell snatch, and he's just like thick, not even like sweating, and I'm just like, What's happening? Now I have what's up? So what's happening? What's going on with it? Yeah, like why why are we here? And then we just got demolished and everything, like CrossFit-wise. But uh fuck it. He was like just an absolute unit. He was out of CrossFit Delco. That's kind of how I like came to be. Yeah, came into CrossFit was um Mike DeVito. Shout out to Mike from partner workouts on Saturday.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and he literally does the let's throw it on the whiteboard, let's figure it out together, throw it on the whiteboard. That kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but it's always like to his favor. It was always like burpees running and like muscle ups. And I'm like, I don't do any of these, I just lift. Like, no, nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER_01:If you come out to my gym and I'm and we're writing a workout together like Saturday morning, I'm using my movements too. Absolutely not.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, this is crazy.
SPEAKER_00:That's how everyone has met Gabe, though, is being you're you're the camera guy, everybody knows you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's how I met Gabe. I we were at CrossFit Riverfront like two or three years ago. Yeah, probably three years ago now, and like I'm like warming up on the platform, and this guy comes over and he's like in your face, yeah, and then he's like, I'm never doing this shit again. And I was like, What are you talking about? And he's like, I'm shit, I'm shooting and competing.
SPEAKER_01:And I was like, Does it every time he's like every time after?
SPEAKER_00:No, literally, like, yeah, but that was my first first time meeting you.
SPEAKER_03:Shout out to Wild. What I was thinking about earlier is um Green Beret, the second year they ran it, was where I met probably 90% of the people I hang out with and see, like on a daily basis. Yeah. And like even people like Chance, Jowers, like even those people, I was like, everybody had seen was at that comp. I really wish they would bring it back, but I don't think they're ever bringing that back. But uh Avolve had like three teams on the guys, and we love giving Nick hell because he lost that competition to like Connor, yeah, yeah, free, and uh Clyde. I mean, that's a that's a stacked team, though.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but it it's it's Nick Heck, Oh Mono, and uh who's he's at a wheelhouse. What's his name? I'm drawing a blank right now. Oh, uh McGovern?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Real fit.
SPEAKER_03:Absolute goons.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Real fit. Um, hey, everyone gets a uh L. Every dog has their day, you know. It is what it is. Yo, but at the end here, Dino, what's next for you? Like, I know you guys got Fight for the Fittest. I think I saw your sign up for Herdfest, but like what's your big goals right now? What are you hungry for?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, we got Fight for the Fittest in a few weeks, and now that there's no elite division, I feel like we just want to do well. We want to be, I feel like we want to move clean and feel good about our performances. Like that that was how it was at MacFest. Like, we kind of had one shitty workout, but the rest, like, we did as well as we could have. So I'm excited for that one just to compete with a bunch of our friends. And then Mary, Maddie, and I are doing the Watapalooza qualifier in November. So really, really hoping to compete there in uh in March.
SPEAKER_01:And then have you ever been to Watapalooza before?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I've I've spectated the last three years, and every year I'm like, I want to fucking do this. Like I wanna be there.
SPEAKER_01:So Yeah, we'll have another episode after you do it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I uh I understand it, it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy. But yeah, that's really like the main goal. I'm gonna do as best as I can in in the open. Like I don't anticipate like going to Syndicate again, because again, that was kind of like an opportunity that like fell into my lap. We'll see what happens. Uh you know, with quarterfinals now, maybe things will shake up a little bit differently. I was feeling really confident last year about like my abilities, and I still am this year, but um can't really estimate or say just because we don't really know what the season's gonna be like. But main thing really just like, yeah, exactly, charging up for Wadapooza. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Gabe Gabriel over there. You know who shouted you out with that. Yo, tell us what's next, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Um, what are you gonna be competing at while you're shooting at the uh uh next we try not to do that anymore? Uh so fight for the fittest is in like three weeks. I'm on that lovely team. Let's go bring them down. Um, so after that, I don't really have anything lined up or planned. I don't really like try to compete every month, even though it seems like it was that way uh this year. Did you do something in September or you took this month off, right? September. No, yeah, yeah. Belfam brawl. Oh the swim comp we were swimming. Let's go. I was swimming, somebody else wanted to swim in. You got it. He said he didn't even have his goggles on. I came out and popped out, and I was like, yo, dude, like you want to get in? He's like, nah, now all right.
SPEAKER_00:But you were like, give me something, and he's like, Are you serious? And he like scrambled to get his glasses on and went and belly flopped.
SPEAKER_03:That was hilarious. Electric. Electric. We're back on the 18th. Um, but yeah, I mean, there's if there's a comp I'm gonna do in December possibly, it'd be like winter soldier on the 13th.
SPEAKER_01:It's down in the hell is that Captain America shit?
SPEAKER_03:Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um but other than that, why does Gabe know all these random comps? Like, bro, you're freaking everyone follows me, man. Yeah, what's the drawing up in uh up in uh uh Boston that you went to to Southie? Yeah, like that was a lecture.
SPEAKER_03:Now that I know you more, I'm like, how's this dude all over the place like this? It gives you a reason to travel a little bit, you know. Yeah, all right. But uh come on, Herdfest, bro. Elite Rx is all sold out, you gotta get an elite now. Oh, that's invite, isn't it? Dude, there is some goons in that division. Oh, I'm seeing it. Complete goons.
SPEAKER_00:I definitely want to go watch that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but uh, yeah. Just going, you're gonna go.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not gonna.
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:I want to go watch spectate too, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Nine months for Battle by the Bay RX, because we're gonna win it this year.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, already in. Nine months in advance. Right, what a hot take. I guess some big dogs raw for that one, too.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna win the lift. That's the plan every year, right? That's the plan every that's the only thing that matters because you know what? Nobody cares how many muscle ups you do in a row. Nobody cares how hard you rode the bike. The lift's the only thing that makes it into the video.
SPEAKER_00:Right. I was gonna say, did you get a sexy video of you PRing a lift? That's really all that matters.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, hell yeah. Shout out to that, man. It's crazy how people fucking sign up for comps like a year in advance, too. Like it's it's really wild to see like where the local scene has got to, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I feel like you have to in order to get good turnouts because it's like you see it all the time now, where uh the comps pop up on like what's a good comp and what's a bad comp. Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Someone sent that question in. I was like, we're not gonna go down that rabbit hole.
SPEAKER_03:We I could give you an hour's worth of that.
SPEAKER_01:Um someone that someone is asking me for for help on setting their comp up right now, and they it's in 10 days or some shit like that, and they just asked me about like making heat and and heat times and shit. I'm like, bro, it's like self-explanatory on there. If you don't have that together, like that is what making the comp is. So what ex what if you did work out? Like, that's not the but whatever, you know. But uh Gabe's Gabe's about to go into what's a bad comp. No, no, we won't we won't do that. No, we won't talk about what's a good pop versus yeah, what's a good comp versus a bad comp there. Um Gabe's outside, Nita's outside, the fall, winter time, Gabe's gonna go do some Captain America Marvel shit in December. Like, where was that comp? Tell us that before we get out of here.
SPEAKER_03:I think it's in uh I think it's at the University of Maryland, I'm not sure. Pop off, let's go. My friend sent it to me. I was gonna do it last year, but then MacFest was like three weeks or two weeks ahead of it, and I was like, uh, can't do that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you're not gonna bring Matt to his own stomping realms.
SPEAKER_03:No, we dude, we gotta keep Matt in his cage. People don't know about Matt.
SPEAKER_00:The hidden gem.
SPEAKER_03:Matt is like the third fittest guy I know.
SPEAKER_01:Damn. Okay, well then I'm gonna post his fucking Instagram in the the There's gonna be nothing on there. There's nothing that everyone can know who it is now, you know. Matt's a free, he doesn't feel pain. Uh he's a swim but he doesn't feel pain. It's different. That he can't swim.
SPEAKER_00:That's just like one thing. Like that's just his only thing.
SPEAKER_03:He can't swim and he can't squat. Anything that begins with an S, you know, he he's just I can't stay.
SPEAKER_01:I'm glad this is the end of the episode. All right, this is Nina. This is game. We're out of here. Peace. Thanks, Delar. He said he can't say anything with an he can't do anything with a